June 10, 2010
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00:46, Neuzd> Why is there no indication on what that is? I *think* it's ateailer for MK:Rebirth, but why didn't they put it in thevideo, nor in the description?
00:47, Neuzd meant: a trailer, the video
00:48, Neuzd> I never liked MK so I don't care so much, but I predict hordes of fans will not like this reboot.
01:08, Cryoburner> Mortal Kombat's been getting pretty soft recently, so it's actually a nice change, even if they take a lot of liberties with the source material.
01:10, Cryoburner whispers: It's actually apparently a sort of test video made as a pitch for a potential new Mortal Kombat film. http://www.trmk.org/news/12938/what_is_the_mortal_kombat_rebirth_viral_vid eo.html
01:11, Neuzd> I liked the gory bits, disturbing and to the point, but the fight scene was kinda lame. Mediocre choreography and acting, we didn't get to see blows hitting the bodies, and no blood during the fight...
01:14, Cryoburner whispers: Did you ever see the mid-90s Mortal Kombat films? :P
01:15, Neuzd> Yes, but what point is it that it may be better than those? It doesn't feel Mortal Kombat at all. Just the names, not even the looks are right.
01:22, Cryoburner whispers: I thought you didn't really like Mortal Kombat. Wouldn't 'not feeling like Mortal Kombat' be a good thing in that case? :P
01:24, Neuzd> Well, no. First I must say I'm not a fighter fan. Anyway, I always hated the animations, and thought it's a very mediocre fighter, which hapopens to
01:24, Neuzd meant: which happens to have lots of blood
01:25, Neuzd> And I always got the feeling that the game is well balanced just because every character is absolutely the same.
01:27, Neuzd> It's the game that sucks, not its backstory or environment. Or at least that's what I don't like of MK, the game itself.
01:38, Cryoburner> The characters are not 'absolutely' the same... Sub-Zero is blue, while Scorpion is yellow. :3
01:40, Neuzd> :P And also it's not entirely true that they're absolutely identical....I threw some grudge in. Nontheless I think it's a mediocre game.
01:41, Neuzd> That's not the point though. I just wanted to stand by MK fans, because i don't like when a game franchise gets messed up, even if it's something I'm not interested in.
01:43, Neuzd whispers: And not only game franchise, see the abomination and insult which is TRON legacy.
01:44, Cryoburner whispers: You're just upset that they decapitated Johnny Cage.
01:46, Cryoburner> Tron Legacy isn't even out yet. It could be awesome. :)
01:46, Neuzd whispers: Not exactly, I'd say I'm upset they didn't show the decapitation in detail with the proper amount of blood. I thought it said Mortal Kombat... :P
01:46, Neuzd> No, TRON Legacy doesn't look like TRON. It's all wrong. I will never watch another trailer, nor the movie.
01:49, Cryoburner whispers: Maybe it really wasn't Johnny Cage who got decapitated. Proper identification might be difficult. :|
01:49, Neuzd whispers: Also as the pussy he's shown to be in the first movie, there are chances he was using a double.
01:50, Cryoburner whispers: Tron isn't really a movie based on a game though...
01:50, Neuzd> yep, in fact I introduced the TRON discussion saying "And not only game franchises".
01:51, Cryoburner whispers: No you didn't.
01:52, Cryoburner> bump...
01:52, Cryoburner> bump..
01:52, Cryoburner whispers: bump.
01:52, Cryoburner> :P
01:53, Neuzd whispers: you could have played safer because I actually wrote "game franchise" without the 's' :P
02:00, Cryoburner whispers: Hey did you see that recent Tron: legacy trailer? It looks pretty rad... :)
02:02, Neuzd whispers: Sure, keep an eye on your Noctis labels and notes :P
02:05, Cryoburner whispers: That's okay, I probably won't submit any anyway. :P
02:05, Cryoburner> Really though, I do think it looks rather Tron-like.
02:06, Neuzd whispers: Geez, I don't think I have any other threats left
02:07, Cryoburner> Tron provided some of the best of what computer graphics had to offer for its time, so it makes sense for a modern film to continue that 'Legacy'. :)
02:07, Neuzd> I don't like anything of it. I could talk for hours of how the few things shown are wrong to an impressive degree.
02:08, Neuzd> And by the way I think there's very very very little of computer graphics in the original Tron.
02:09, Cryoburner> Wouldn't it make sense that the digital world would have evolved since the events of the first film.
02:09, Cryoburner whispers: And people say "Whoa" a lot more now as well, making it a fitting line to close the trailer with. :)
02:10, Neuzd> Wiki says only 15 minutes of computer animations were used.
02:10, Cryoburner> There were lightcycles... speedy flying boat things...
02:11, Cryoburner> ...rectangular things with things coming out of them. All sorts of things. :P
02:11, Neuzd> The thing about the difital world evolving is the same thing Magnulus said. TRON 2.0 was exactly that, but done right.
02:12, Cryoburner> 15 minutes was a ton of cg at the time though.
02:13, Neuzd> But why the original TRON seems more computery to me? Really the new costumes are jumpsuits with bike helmets!
02:14, Cryoburner whispers: Yeah, I didn't play that yet. It apparently didn't sell all that well either...
02:14, Neuzd> The lightcycles had peculiar behaviour, now it looks like a bike sim. It's lame.
02:15, Cryoburner> It's because the mainframe computer has apparently been upgraded in the decades since the original film.
02:15, Cryoburner whispers: Maybe they gave it a new video card. :P
02:16, Cryoburner> If by 'lame' you mean 'awesome', then yes.
02:16, Neuzd> I don't care, it sucks. How can you mess up a simple game like multiplayer-snake? Because remember that the lightcycle is a game/challenge even inside the digital world.
02:18, Neuzd> The grid has multiple layers and no limits...how do you play that?
02:19, Cryoburner whispers: You just have to have skill.
02:20, Cryoburner whispers: And rockets!
02:21, Neuzd> Wow, sounds mediocre!
02:22, Cryoburner whispers: Well, only if it's a mediocre rocket.
02:23, Neuzd whispers: Nope, the bigger it is the more mediocre it gets. It's a matter of having balls.
02:26, Cryoburner whispers: What about fins?
02:26, Neuzd> When Skynet and the Master Control Program will join forces I will happily day the day of the attack. But I'm not going to use rocket launchers unless we get on Phobos.
02:27, Neuzd whispers: day the day? That's curious, I meant "die the day"
02:27, Cryoburner> I try to happily day every day! :)
02:27, Neuzd whispers: Yeah, got it first! :P
02:29, Neuzd> And yes if they want to totally seal the tomb of TRON, they should definitely add fins to the lightcycles.
02:30, Cryoburner> Huh... that's interesting... http://bit.ly/9t8TUz
02:31, Neuzd whispers: A tronroll?
02:31, Cryoburner whispers: Snicker snicker snicker... :P
02:32, Neuzd> Ha ha ha! I got you without even really believing it.
02:35, Cryoburner whispers: Sending people to places they don't want to go is the primary purpose of URL shortening services.
02:40, Neuzd> ...thinking of the tronroll is making me hungry. Like it was the ultimate snack for the computer geeks.
02:43, Cryoburner whispers: So Tron: Legacy is "The Ultimate Snack" now?
02:44, Cryoburner whispers: You're going to see that quoted in an upcoming trailer.
02:44, Neuzd> it's the product of the snack combined with intestine activity after having eaten the snack...
02:46, Neuzd> Mediocrity for mediocrity: there came the poop joke :P
02:49, Neuzd> And I'm so scared to think that there will be a Jar Jar like character as comic relief.
02:56, Cryoburner whispers: Even if he's a Tron-esque AIBO?
03:00, Neuzd> It will be an AIBO-esque AIBO. Didn't you notice how the original TRON looks a lot more 'digital' than these empty jumpsuits and real life bike helmets?
03:02, Neuzd> But more importantly, why are you torturing me this way? :P I hated the trailer and I don't want to think about it.
03:13, Cryoburner whispers: Of course, the original Tron looked a lot less 'digital' than videogames of its time as well. :)
03:16, Cryoburner whispers: Aww... he ran off. :P
03:17, Neuzd starts the lightcycle and waits right behind a corner, to cut Cryoburner's way.
03:18, Cryoburner takes a ramp and passes over Neuzd's lightcycle.
03:19, Cryoburner whispers: See? Skill.
03:20, Neuzd whispers: No ramps in the original grid, and it's me running the server.
03:21, Cryoburner whispers: Well then, I'll just cut through that hole in the wall.
03:24, Neuzd> This is lightcycle skill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnZrzNKqIU
08:10, Mary Lou> Welcoming a new member: "Melfice_cyrum".
08:29, Starchaser> Seriously. Armagetron players must be Jedi or something. I barely win half the time against stupid computers.
12:16, Armok> hi!
12:17, Armok> Is it just me or is the new lino WAY less user friendly than the old one? I thoguht it was just rust at first, but I've been trying for days and I simply cant figure out how to do the stuff I did easily back in the good old days.
12:38, Cryoburner> I somewhat agree. I'm still primarily using 1.2 though.
12:40, Cryoburner> Some changes in 2.0 are nice, but some others seem to change things that didn't really need changing.
12:42, Neuzd> Maybe those that don't seem appropriate will reveal their use when Lino2 will actually be finished. I'm just suggesting it, I'm not into Lino.
12:45, Cryoburner whispers: The same could be said about Tron: Legacy. :P
12:47, Neuzd orders a BFG 9000 on Amazon.
13:00, Armok> I'm trying to use it for a shcool prodject. So waiting is eally unpreferable
13:01, Neuzd> You are right.
13:01, Armok> I also suspect it might be a documentation problem. I memember the old version having a REALY nice manual, with this version you have to read throguht the source code of libraries...
13:02, Neuzd cancels the Amazon order and goes buy the BFG 9000 at the market down the street.
13:05, Armok> another thing thats missing is good examples. The old lino had loads of cool grapical examples
13:09, Albeyamakiir> Wait, wait... Nice manual!? What? Since when? Kinda good for starters, but it's missing bits and it's not well organized.
13:12, Neuzd> C'mon don't brag too much, after all Lino2 is still in an embryonic stage.
13:12, Armok> I need to use it. Now. And I cant figure it out
13:13, Armok> This project have enought expected obsacles alredy, withoute new unexpected ones like this
13:15, Neuzd> That doesn't seem to be a wise choice on your hand then.
13:15, Neuzd meant: have been
13:19, Neuzd> I mean: SSORTED WARNINGS - It's incomplete - More will come - Lacks many examples - Lacks modular extensions - Lacks instructions (drafted only) - May show occasional inconsistences ("changes of mind").
13:20, Neuzd> That doesn't sound like something I'd choose for a school or work project.
13:21, Armok> :( I missed that
13:23, Neuzd> Official Lino2 presentation: http://anynowhere.com/bb/posts.php?t=412&p=84 Didn't you care to look for the post in which Alex introduced its latest creation?
13:28, Armok> I might have forgoten it, or I found it throguth other means. I do remember I downloaded it as soon as I saw it but didnt have tome to read anything ot rty it until a fair amount of time later
14:09, Armok> so what do I do?
14:15, Neuzd> Going for the 'old' Lino would combine your wish to use Alex language with not having to rewrite everything from scratch.
14:16, Armok> I have considered that, and opted against it, before the new version came out
14:18, Neuzd> Then if I were you I'd choose the language I know the best. Or the technology with the easiest access if there are time constraints.
14:21, Armok> That'd be python... but I don't lioke the idea. I alredy tried that first
14:23, Neuzd> I can't help further. I already thought that my answers were trivial enough.
14:28, Armok> I was hoping for somehting like fan made documentation
14:30, Neuzd> But if you didn't find Lino1 suitable, why the new version should have been alright. Even if it was complete and with all the differences and stuff, it's the same language.
14:55, Armok> you mean... writing it in the old lino? I didnt want to because I know a new version would soon come out and make evrything obsolate.'
14:59, Neuzd> Similar reason to why Noctis IV inboxes stopped, right? Watch out in wanting to live the future, you'll miss the present.
15:06, Armok> But the new version IS out, I cant go use an old one!
15:15, Neuzd> Yeah, you'll get cancer and stuff.
15:55, Armok> D:
15:57, Armok> seriusly thou. If not lino2 I'd have to use python, and ironically thats MORE complicated in the special case of making a program understand itself...
16:01, Neuzd> A program that understands itself? I don't think you're talking about reflection, right? What do you mean?
16:02, Armok> It's a school project so I'm not sure how much I shuld reveal
16:03, Armok> It's a Project, experimental philosophy, my own idea
18:51, E_net4> IMO: You should ask for help if you're not achieving something with Lino 2.
18:53, E_net4> Also, you can't really complain about its lack of support, because of the already mentioned reasons.
18:54, E_net4> Making a program understand itself... Are you building an interpreter?
18:57, Ajax> what does it matter that someday soon, 1.2 will be obsolete if you're doing a project NOW... and like Neuzd said, it really is just about the same thing...
18:58, Ajax> and we can't really help if little or no information is given as to what is to be achieved...
19:03, E_net4> If he wants a program to understand itself, I make my guess that he wants a program to interpret code. But that's just me. :P
21:20, Armok> back
21:21, Armok> Asking for more spesific help might work, IF peaple dont get tired of constant questions and answers are gotten reasonably quickly
21:22, Armok> and yea I guess it's sort of like an interpreter. Atleast the aproach I'm trying next, wich may or may not work
21:32, Neuzd> Alright, I've got an empty tank and I'm 76500 LY from the galaxy core. Let's see how long it takes for a felisian soul to pass by. :(
21:45, Neuzd> Less than 1 Triad Medium, good.
21:46, Neuzd> ...or is it 'medius'? Darn.
22:18, Cryoburner> "15:06, Armok> But the new version IS out, I cant go use an old one!"
22:19, Cryoburner> I think you should think of Lino 2.0 as currently being in something of a 'beta' stage.
22:20, Cryoburner> It might technically be available to use, but not necessarily completely ready to work with.
22:20, Jam> (Plenty of people still use Windows XP, though Windows 7 is out...)
22:21, Cryoburner whispers: Windows 7 is mostly backward compatible with Windows XP though. :P
22:25, E_net4 whispers: I'd go for triad medius. :P
22:26, E_net4> And I must say, Windows 7 is not in beta stage.
22:26, E_net4> That doesn't make XP obsolete, however.
22:39, E_net4> Final note: Don't make that program of yours run itself.
22:44, Jam> Make it run 10 copies of itself instead! :P
22:48, Jam> I wonder what would happen...
22:49, Speeder> I did that once, with MS Word. Each new window, called a script to open a new window.
22:50, Jam> What happened?
22:50, Speeder> It quickly opened about 100 words, then at a medium speed went to 200, then it started to open more slowly, when it was at 387, it was opening 1 every minute.
22:51, Speeder> Someone, passing by, decided to right click the group of words, and ask the group to close. Result: 390 words trying to load in the memory at the same time (windows unload unused software), and a hell funny crash. (sadly, the machine refused to boot-up again for some hours...)
22:52, Speeder> Good that it was not my machine (we did it in the university). I wonder what happened with other people after us... (I and my partner never remembered to remove the script from word...)
22:55, Jam> They must not have been very happy. Probably would have thought it was a virus or something.
22:56, E_net4> Clearly, a stack overflow would happen.
22:57, E_net4> It's like... the program starts by running itself.
22:57, E_net4> I don't have to state the obvious!
23:01, Jam> I'd make a program to test it, but I'm afraid of the results...
23:05, E_net4 meant: facepalm*~
23:05, E_net4 meant to facepalm.
23:06, E_net4> Anywayz, does the latest Linodoc support the syntax of Lino 2 commentary documentation?
23:06, E_net4> I never really got into Linodoc.
23:44, Cryoburner whispers: I really don't think so.