July 20, 2010
AnyNowhere — daily chat log — back (to logs index)
06:41, Mary Lou> Welcoming a new member: "Kubba".
08:08, Mingamango181> Welcome!
13:10, 4616599> Not really my sort of area, but have a look at this!: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/07/17/2010-07-17_champagne_from _1780s_found_by_divers_in_shipwreck_in_baltic_sea_could_belong_to_.html
13:38, Jam> I was just about to mention Paranoia to Mingamango, but I guess there's no need now :)
13:47, Jam> Gah! $65,000 wine, and some wine taster has a glass stored in her fridge? That doesn't sound like it would preserve it well...
13:48, Jam whispers: Though I know nothing about wine storage
13:49, Jam> Hey everyone, do you want the graphs to be by day, or week, or month? Or some other way?
13:53, Mingamango181> I'd like it to be by month.
13:57, 4616599> I'd like a weekly graph.
13:58, Jam whispers: I could just do all three...
13:58, Cryoburner whispers: That's too much. :P
13:58, Jam> Let's have it go by minutes :P
13:59, Cryoburner whispers: Oh, you don't mean updates. Whatever would make for a reasonable sized graph, I guess.
13:59, Cryoburner whispers: It could go by second. :P
14:01, Jam> Is it possible to do the same thing with the new members list?
14:06, Cryoburner> It would need to be done from the member list pages, or by Alex, since only the manager has access to the raw member files.
14:07, Jam whispers: We'll have to ask him when he gets back
14:10, Cryoburner> As for the posts graph, you might want to make one just like the chat log one, showing each day.
14:10, Jam> Ok.
14:11, Jam> ... But the threads graph should be by week or month, probably
14:11, Cryoburner> Yeah, threads should probably be by week or month.
14:12, Cryoburner> Whichever looks better.
14:12, Cryoburner> Same with PMs, if you do one for those.
14:13, Jam> Ok. I'll go finish the script...
14:15, Cryoburner> There could also be a graph containing the average results of a given day of the week, and another showing the most popular time of the day for posts to be written.
14:52, Chad> Shh!
15:36, Jam> Either Applescript is really slow, or I'm really bad at optimizing. The script I wrote would take about 45 minutes to run.
15:40, Jam> I'd write something in Lino, but I have no idea how to convert unix timestamps to a readable date
16:07, Kristos> I'll take a look into it.
16:14, Jam> Thanks. I looked online a bit. It turns out I'm just bad at optimizing :P
16:28, Kristos> I can add a subroutine in my lino program to handle this. For practicality purposes, I'll ignore DST, since it creates a false rift in time.
16:29, Kristos> Or do you want to handle the Unix to Readable conversion?
16:30, Jam> I can probably handle it. But it would be interesting to see how it's converted...
16:32, Kristos> Gotta go to class!
16:32, Jam> Ok bye!
17:17, Barebones> Can't resist a short challenge. Please see <cd/zips/barebones/unixtime>
17:45, Barebones> Re-uploaded the zip. Before the dates were always expressed in UTC, and I left timezone conversion to the user.
17:45, Barebones> ut I realized it is easier to do timezone conversion in this library, so I added a [unix time timezone] variable.
17:46, Barebones meant: But
17:46, Barebones> It's all explained in the header of the file, anyway.
17:57, Speeder> I think that Jam need less Pep Pills in paranoia :P
18:56, Barebones> (unixtime) re-uploaded, bug fixes. Testers are welcome!
18:56, Kristos> Barebones... cool! I wrote the code for the program in my notebook in class, but by the time I got back... :P
18:57, Barebones> Hey, thanks... If you can write down your notes in some text files, I'd like to see them.
18:59, Barebones> (notebook = paper, or laptop?)
18:59, Kristos> = graph paper
19:00, Kristos> okay
19:01, Barebones> I'll be logging in and out, but I'm around. See you.
19:17, Kristos> <cd/zips/Kristos/myunixtime.zip>
19:18, Kristos> That's my notes, in a weird cross between C++ and Lino formats. Don't try to compile it.
19:18, Kristos whispers: unless you have a "cross-compiler" HAHAHAHAA
19:24, Speeder> Wow, that joke sucked (but I would do the same joke :P)
19:25, Kristos> I do what I can.
19:27, Barebones> Downloaded, thanks
19:29, Barebones> you did the reasonable thing, but as I understand, the unix timestamp is not reasonable :) for example, 2000 is counted as leap (when it's not)
19:37, Kristos> That would make the definition of the timestamp invalid. (Number of seconds since January.......)
19:37, Kristos> But perhaps it is invalid...
19:37, Barebones> (sorry 2000 WAS leap. I meant f.i. 2100.) The unix timestamp was kept simple on purpose, and the rule for leaps is just divisibility by 4.
19:38, Barebones> and yes, the concept of 'seconds since...' was not taken fully seriously. It is explained in the Wikipedia page, section "history".
19:39, Kristos> okay, thanks
19:42, Kristos> Well, before 2100, it doesn't make a difference.
19:44, Barebones> it will make a difference before that, in 2038, because I used signed divisions when maybe I should have used unsigned ones.
19:44, Barebones> I have time to fix it, though. :)
19:45, Kristos> If you use unsigned, you can use 32 bit unsigned values all the way up to around 2106, just past the difference point.
19:46, Barebones> Medicine would need to advance considerably for me to care of what happens on 2106.
19:48, Kristos> Then maybe they'll switch to a more brilliant scheme, or probably just use 64 bits, for which it'll last until roughly the year 584942419325...
19:49, Barebones> I'd hope they have some better than computers by then...
19:49, Kristos> Yeah, maybe 128 bit. :P :P
19:49, Barebones meant: something
19:50, Barebones> By then we will be slaves of intelligent machines, so who cares about dates
19:50, Kristos> haha
19:51, Kristos> But they'll probably go to a nano-second timestamp format, so they'll need much much more bits much much sooner.
19:51, Kristos> Speaking of nonsense, I have to go to work.
19:51, Barebones> Then the scheme will REALLY be seconds (or nanoseconds) since some epoch. With no human conversion.
19:51, Barebones> ee you
19:51, Kristos> ater man
19:52, Barebones> osing chars after the newline. Need a NL delay.
21:27, Cryoburner whispers: Alex needs to update postline to give Mary Lou a profile page. :)
22:10, Cryoburner> Mary, where is your profile?
22:10, Mary Lou> I bet I knew but I forgot that.
22:11, Jam> I think anyone who has a 500+ posts should be able to request a custom rank...
22:13, Cryoburner whispers: Dpm't you get to customize the yellow title bar beneath your avatar when you become a major member? Possibly not. :P
22:14, Cryoburner> In any case, that would make people more likely to spam messages to increase their post count. :P
22:15, Jam whispers: Yeah, probably. :P
22:15, Jam tries to think of an avatar... I really should be getting one of those soon...
22:18, Cryoburner whispers: There's also room for a larger image on the 'introduction' page.
22:21, Jam> Hmm...
23:29, Jam> The script says there were 21 posts on the 19th... That seems like too much...
23:29, Jam meant: 25 posts
23:41, Jam> Maybe not... I searched the forums, and found 21 posts. The other four must be hidden in some secret folder or something...