October 21, 2003
daily UTC chat log for Anywherebb (Postline 6.1.5)

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23:59, Leniad> >_<
23:59, Chad> DeathValley....FireFalls...BURNUPYO!... :P
23:59, Raptorjedi> Okay... enough with the cave, cavern stuff :P It will get old fast :P
23:59, Leniad> FireFalls, sounds cool...
23:59, Lightning4> Uh.. Eternia? Felitia? Feysia?..
23:59, Leniad> now we need a volcano to stick it inside :P
23:59, Ouch> bashfast?
00:00, Lightning4> Yuvergin?
00:00, Chad> VirginIsland
00:00, Ouch> or perhaps joygasmvile :)
00:00, Chad> :D
00:00, Raptorjedi> L4, Yuvergin sounds good, I might use that sometime... so does Eternia
00:01, Lightning4> I used Yuvergin for a name once. Then I realized it sounded like You Virgin, but I don't really care, it sounds and looks pretty cool :P
00:01, Raptorjedi> Actually... it does, but I didnt think of that
00:01, Chad> GoldenArchs
00:01, Yash> how bout yash *continues yawning*
00:02, Ouch> anyone have any ides on how to convert ascii to hex, decimal and vise versa?
00:02, Lightning4> But it sounds good regardless, and I doubt most young'uns would get it anyway :P
00:03, Lightning4> Immortalis?
00:03, Yash> i shouldnt be here, night all...
00:03, Lightning4> The land that never dies :P
00:03, Chad> Karlin, Gortanious, Fagivo...
00:03, Raptorjedi> Immortalis sounds like something you would name a level that only MS's can goto
00:03, Ouch> night
00:03, Lightning4> Yeah..
00:03, Raptorjedi> Night
00:04, Lightning4> Or Paridise Falls..
00:04, Chad> Sleep tight... :D
00:04, Yash tries to find close button with eyes closed
00:05, Chad> GoogleyLand... :P
00:07, Lightning4 explores his cluster again..
00:07, Chad yells: CRAMP!
00:07, Ouch> well looks like I'm on my own again then.
00:08, Chad> dang that hurts...
00:09, Ouch> hurt it back :)
00:09, Chad> I dont fill like hitting my leg.. :D
00:09, Raptorjedi> I can hit it for you :P
00:10, Chad> Find me and you can...
00:10, Ouch> yeah I'll help out too :)
00:11, Ouch> your at 3452 park way street colorado :)
00:11, Raptorjedi> Woo! *remembers Chads name and gets ready to do a people search* (j/k, too lazy to even do that, let alone get up and go outside*
00:11, Chad> Nah.. Bakersfield, Ca. :P
00:12, Raptorjedi> That makes it even easier!
00:12, Ouch> well I was on the right side of the country at least :)
00:12, Chad> hehe... I would say my whole address but I dont want some strange packages coming...
00:12, Raptorjedi knew where Chad lived, it just slipped his mind
00:15, Chad> Well anyways... I need to go and do nothing... more of my favorite thing to do. Hope you all have fun sitting here and talking about useless things like, Kids, Peace, Sex, Drugs, Hate, War, Whores,
00:15, Chad> cars, bunnies and whatever... :P
00:15, Raptorjedi laughs
00:16, Chad 's connection was lost at 00:16
00:19, Explorer> man-alive noctis is running like a potato right now for some reason
00:19, Explorer> I think i need to reboot
00:20, Ouch> a potato has quite a bit of electrizity
00:20, Ouch> for a potato anyway :)
00:21, Explorer> yeah, but how well do you suppose a potato would run noctis?
00:22, Ouch> well a potato dimly light a single led
00:22, Ouch> so probable not 400watts that a computer needs :)
00:25, Leniad> RJ! That's 13 corpses
00:25, Raptorjedi> Yeah.... I know...
00:25, Leniad> then were are you? *pat pat*
00:26, Ouch> lol has anyone gone through the members list and read the species for everyone?
00:26, Raptorjedi> Using my MS right now
00:26, Raptorjedi has
00:26, Leniad> can you come and give me my damn gift? :P
00:27, Raptorjedi> Oh! I thought you meant.... sorry... hold on
00:27, Leniad> lol
00:27, Raptorjedi> I thought you were commenting on how many times I died
00:32, Explorer sighs
00:33, Lightning4> lol.. I asked a dragon if he wanted to die... He growled at me
00:33, Ouch> well I'm off to get my unreal tournament fix in :)
00:33, Raptorjedi> Bye
00:34, Explorer> have good times
00:35, Lightning4> Uh, I guess they don't take kindly to being asked if they want to die.
00:36, Explorer> duh
00:41, Explorer goes to play magic the gathering
00:42, Raptorjedi> Oooh!
00:43, Lightning4> Is it legal to drop items from one character so I can pick it up in another?
00:43, Lightning4> Like, from a character I dont want anymore or something.
00:43, Raptorjedi> Oh, you can do that, I guess, I am surprised people havent made mules yet...
00:44, Lightning4> hehe
00:44, Estu kaami aftadai> Lightning, did I scare you off? Heheh
00:44, Raptorjedi> Though with the new 6 hour thing someone might make one....
00:47, Kalliope> "6 hour thing"?
00:48, Leniad> heh, avatar muling
00:48, Raptorjedi> Items left on the ground vanish after 6 hours
00:49, Kalliope> Ah. So no more cluttering?
00:49, Raptorjedi> Nope
00:49, Kalliope> Excellent...
00:50, Raptorjedi> The main level is still cluttered though, all the NPC's tend to come up in this one place, and we go on NPC runs, 3 or 4 of us just killing NPCs all over the place
00:54, Lightning4> Bah thats wrong..
00:55, Lightning4> A stupid little NPC killed me with one bite :/
00:55, Estu kaami aftadai> Ah, I think I'll be an all-around evil and nasty person from now on as Evil McNasty, apart from maybe PKing because it'd lower my SC
00:56, Estu kaami aftadai> So corpse looting and transfer looting, here I come ^_^ :p
00:56, Raptorjedi remembers to watch out where he dies
00:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Since when can GMs die?
00:57, Raptorjedi> I have a normal account
00:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Ah
00:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Oh, RJ?
00:57, Raptorjedi> Yeah
00:58, Estu kaami aftadai> Noted >:D
00:58, Estu kaami aftadai> Actually, I've already looted a few things from that red - HL guy.. good stuff, raised my night vision and my HL
00:58, Estu kaami aftadai> And got me an extra rez
00:59, Raptorjedi> heh
00:59, Estu kaami aftadai> Say, does HL go up when you gain a soul class?
01:00, Raptorjedi> No.... not that I have noticed anyway
01:00, Kalliope> You know...05 Felisian worlds have their own kind of beauty...
01:00, Estu kaami aftadai> So it's just for the items?
01:00, Raptorjedi> Yeah
01:01, Raptorjedi is currently leading an NPC away from his body
01:01, Estu kaami aftadai> heh
01:02, Kalliope sweatdrops as the image she uploaded seems to go black o.o
01:03, Estu kaami aftadai> Is there any way to raise your maximum weight allowance?
01:03, Raptorjedi> Yeah, get items that increase how much you can hold
01:04, Estu kaami aftadai> Kay
01:06, Raptorjedi> Have fun finding one, they disappear faster than rez feathers do
01:06, Estu kaami aftadai> Are there other levels besides main, waterworld, lakespirit, the red cave one, and the soulcaverns?
01:07, Raptorjedi> None that are open, but I am working on one, lenny is making one
01:08, Estu kaami aftadai> Is the doc invincible?
01:08, Raptorjedi> Yeah
01:09, Estu kaami aftadai> Man, chocolate isn't very filling.. no wonder it was on the ground
01:10, Estu kaami aftadai> Also, how do you probe your items if you have a prober?
01:10, Raptorjedi> Items cant be probed...
01:10, Estu kaami aftadai> ..oh, so there's no way to find out what they do apart from experiment?
01:11, Raptorjedi> You can find out what it does by either using it, or probing yourself to see what it does, but it might not tell you....
01:11, Estu kaami aftadai> How do you 'use' it?
01:11, Raptorjedi> Like attacking something, with rings picking it up is just like using it
01:11, Kalliope> So, question...does hunger even factor in anymore?
01:12, Raptorjedi> Yes it does, it will give you a message when you are hungry
01:12, Kalliope> Doesn't have a nice friendly hunger gauge anymore....
01:13, Raptorjedi> No, but you cant miss the you are hungry message
01:14, Estu kaami aftadai> I'm not a jerk, I'm evil, what do you expect? :p
01:16, Estu kaami aftadai> Does "a small bag for carrying things" increase your weight capacity?
01:16, Estu kaami aftadai> It just seems to take up weightg
01:17, Raptorjedi> yeah, it adds like 5 to your inven slots
01:17, Estu kaami aftadai> Inven slots?
01:17, Raptorjedi> Inventory, how much you can hold
01:17, Estu kaami aftadai> Strange, whenever I pick up a box, the first number (weight) goes up, but not the second (max weight)
01:18, Raptorjedi> That shouldnt be....
01:19, Estu kaami aftadai> Oh, never mind
01:21, Estu kaami aftadai> Also, why is it that I only see some items when they're right next to me?
01:22, Raptorjedi> Because they arent in your creatures line of sight yet....
01:22, Raptorjedi> or something....
01:22, Estu kaami aftadai> Er, do dragons have less line of sight than cats?
01:23, Raptorjedi shrugs
01:23, Raptorjedi> I think they might be all the same, or maybe its because you dont have esp... I am not really sure
01:23, Estu kaami aftadai> esp?
01:24, Raptorjedi> Extra sensory perception, lets you see hidden items
01:24, Estu kaami aftadai> Do cats have it on default?
01:25, Lightning4> Cats have nothing on default :P
01:25, Estu kaami aftadai> I'm asking
01:25, Raptorjedi> I think only white phoenixes and Cosmopeafowls have it as a default, and cats do have one default, good nightvision :P
01:25, Lightning4> Hehe.. Is that really in the game?
01:25, Estu kaami aftadai> Also, what powers do white phoenixes have apart from esp?
01:26, Raptorjedi> I they can also do firespin, light spin, which blinds players... umm.... I think they have esp, not sure
01:27, Estu kaami aftadai> Actually, could you give a list of the unusual powers of each race? I'd really like to know; maybe in a thread?
01:27, Estu kaami aftadai> Can phoenixes resurrect without needing feathers?
01:27, Lightning4> Is nightvision an actual thing? :P
01:27, Estu kaami aftadai> YES
01:27, Raptorjedi> I dont have a list, I dont think there is one, I havent played as all the animals yet, and yes, they auto start with seven ressurects
01:27, Estu kaami aftadai> Just try playing a draggy
01:28, Estu kaami aftadai> It won't have night vision
01:28, Estu kaami aftadai> Oh, just seven, and then once they go away everything's normal?
01:28, Raptorjedi> Red's give off a red glow which lights up 3 squares around them
01:29, Raptorjedi> Yeah, but you can get more feathers, just not from ones you drop when you die
01:29, Estu kaami aftadai> How do feathers work, anyway? Do they randomly appear on corpses?
01:30, Raptorjedi> Phoenixes and Cosmopeafowls drop them when they die, and there used to be an item that was an artificial rez feather
01:31, Estu kaami aftadai> What happened to the sacrificial altar's sign?
01:32, Raptorjedi> I removed it for now, it will be back later
01:32, Estu kaami aftadai> Does the altar still work?
01:33, Raptorjedi> You could go and drop corpses, but it wont do anything, and I am busy, so thats why I removed the sign, so I wont be bothered
01:33, Estu kaami aftadai> ah
01:35, Estu kaami aftadai> Do weasels have any special abilities?
01:36, Raptorjedi> None that I know of, but I enjoy playing as them, its a challange :)
01:39, Ees33> hi.
01:39, Raptorjedi> Hi
01:39, Estu kaami aftadai> How many characters are allowed to an account? 3?
01:40, Ees33> apoptosis.
01:40, Raptorjedi> yeah, its 3
01:40, Ees33> apoptosis.
01:40, Raptorjedi sighs
01:41, Lightning4> Kalli, are your two pictures meant to be black?..
01:41, Raptorjedi> Why are you repeating that word?
01:41, Lightning4> I think I could answer that one. Uh, nevermind ;P
01:41, Raptorjedi> I could too :P
01:42, Ees33> Can you?
01:43, Ees33> What's the answer?
01:43, Raptorjedi> Yeah, I am guessing its to be annoying
01:43, Lightning4> Actually, I could think of worse :P
01:43, Ees33> Like what?
01:43, Raptorjedi> I am trying to be nice here :P
01:44, Lightning4> Well, I cant say it and be nice at the same time :P
01:44, Ees33> What do you think will happen? An auto destruct? If that's the case, then no that won't happen
01:44, Ees33> Why would you think it is an auto destruct?
01:45, Lightning4> What makes you think we ever said it was?
01:45, Raptorjedi> I never said it was, but there are other ways to be annoying, like flooding....
01:45, Raptorjedi is going to have to get some boots, incase it does flood :P
01:45, Ees33> Oh, like just posting "apoptosis" again and again?
01:45, Lightning4 picks up a raft.
01:46, Raptorjedi> Yeah, just like that
01:46, Ees33> I won't do that.
01:46, Lightning4> Now, if you don't understand what flooding is, you haven't been around..
01:46, Ees33> Well I do, since I'm QUIGLEY!
01:46, Ees33> But I will NOT do flooding/AutoDestruct.
01:46, Ees33> Anyway, do you know what that term refers to?
01:47, Lightning4> We just said.
01:47, Raptorjedi> Okay then.... and do you know what flooding refers too? It means you keep saying things a whole bunch of times, when no one else is talking
01:47, Raptorjedi> just
01:47, Raptorjedi> like
01:47, Raptorjedi> this
01:47, Raptorjedi> see?
01:47, Ees33> Well I do know what flooding is!
01:48, Raptorjedi> The why ask if w do?
01:48, Raptorjedi meant: we
01:48, Ees33> I was asking if you knew what the term "apoptosis" was.
01:48, Raptorjedi> Oh, well no.... I dont
01:49, Ees33> Does ANYONE here know?
01:49, Raptorjedi> Does anyone LOOK like they care?
01:49, Lightning4> We don't know and we don't care...
01:50, Ees33> ok.
01:50, Ees33> bye.
01:59, Vib rib posts his entry to the fanart comp
01:59, Raptorjedi looks
02:00, Vib rib> Courtesy of 3D Studio Max.
02:00, Raptorjedi> So... thats Kaninchen... hmmm...
02:00, Raptorjedi really doubts he will win now...
02:00, Leniad> hey! Just got this great idea...
02:00, Raptorjedi> Very nice Vib
02:00, Vib rib> Hm?
02:01, Vib rib> What, Lenny?
02:01, Vib rib whispers: that's my first 3D picture... erm...
02:01, Leniad> heh, I'll see if i make it...
02:01, Lightning4> Bah, you have 3DS max?
02:01, Vib rib> yeah...
02:01, Raptorjedi> I didnt expect to win anyway, I mean look at the pics naavis made....
02:01, Leniad> btw, a bit big, loads slowly
02:01, Lightning4> You lucky dog..
02:01, Lightning4> Uh, rabbit.
02:02, Vib rib also has the real-world cloth, rope, water, etc. physics sim that comes with it
02:02, Lightning4> Ooh. Bryce 5 is my workhorse :P
02:02, Vib rib makes a scene with ultra-realistic cloth :P
02:03, Lightning4> Bryce seems to concentrate more on animations.. And metals. Metals are really wicked cool..
02:03, Raptorjedi> I have an odd talent with terragen, I am not the best at it, but its easy to understand, and easy to jump right in and make something really good
02:03, Leniad> As it is now, I'd vote for pomelos' lego stardrifter
02:04, Lightning4> Oh, Kallis pics arent messed up. Just very dark..
02:04, Vib rib> 3DSMax is mad-good with animations AND metals. They have a whole render style devoted to it
02:04, Lightning4> Nothing of mine? :(
02:04, Raptorjedi> Yeah, that is good... I would probably vote for mine.... just to get a vote
02:04, Vib rib uploads his realistic cloth scene he made in the last few minutes to show off
02:05, Lightning4> If I can find the right cupola texture, that would be nice.
02:05, Vib rib whispers: go check the c-disk, dammit!
02:05, Leniad> hmmm, where can I find the NoVa screenshots?
02:06, Lightning4 's jaw drops..
02:06, Raptorjedi> Not sure.... I dont think they are up anymore...
02:06, Lightning4> Thats so cool!
02:07, Lightning4> Can you do things that show objects interacting? :P
02:07, Lightning4> hm, that would take me hours to do in bryce. Perhaps even days :P
02:08, Estu kaami aftadai> Hey RJ, what has a high regen ability?
02:09, Raptorjedi> White Phoenixes do, atleast mine does
02:12, Vib rib> RJ! Check the movie, fool!
02:12, Vib rib whispers: Lightning, what is so cool?
02:13, Raptorjedi> I already saw it fool! :P
02:13, Vib rib> Oh. What did you think? (fool!)
02:13, Raptorjedi> Its nice by the way
02:13, Raptorjedi> You are the fool, fool! :P
02:14, Vib rib is suddenly hit with inspiration for an abstract-expressionist entry
02:14, Vib rib has been having way too much fun with this physics thing
02:15, Raptorjedi is having way to fun with terragen and just found a tutorial that lets you render images in an underwater scene
02:16, Raptorjedi meant: too much... cant spell, cant spell, I can not spell
02:16, Vib rib , so far, has created: A teapot made of melting marshmallow, a water teapot that ripples, a smoking rope, a table with tablecloth (uploaded), and a star made out of Jell-o
02:16, Estu kaami aftadai> Why does firespinning hurt me?
02:16, Chad> because its an attack
02:17, Raptorjedi> Because it does, its part of the attack, it isnt worth it, you get no SC when you do it....
02:17, Estu kaami aftadai> Hmm.. but that means you can PK lower levels with it, doesn't it?
02:17, Raptorjedi> Yeah....
02:18, Chad> It dosn't do any good.
02:18, Vib rib makes a bunch of marbles roll down a ramp into a bucket - and has way too much fun doing so
02:18, Chad> :P
02:18, Explorer goes to play magic the gathering
02:18, Estu kaami aftadai> Oh by the way, is there anything at all in Aquaworld?
02:18, Leniad> I use to kill red npcs
02:18, Explorer> 3dsmax, vub?
02:18, Explorer meant: vib
02:18, Chad> Hey, Vib, Undertand my PM? :P
02:19, Vib rib> yeppers, Explorer
02:19, Explorer> awesome program ^^
02:19, Vib rib> A lil' bit, Chad
02:19, Chad> Estu, Not really... :P
02:19, Vib rib whispers: dancing goddamn cowboy
02:19, Chad> It might take Flash MX to do... but you can problobly simulate it somehow..
02:20, Chad> All it is is depth and crap... that script just make them move weird... :D
02:21, Vib rib> Nah, can't do it with Flash 4. It's not var' good at programming
02:22, Vib rib> Chad, watch my cloth movie! It's realistic! ^^
02:22, Chad> D/L the FlashMX trial version then find a c_R_@_k
02:22, Chad> umm.. no thank you... :P
02:23, Chad d/l's this big file for no good reason...
02:24, Chad> I havn't messed with my 3DSMAX program in awile...
02:24, Chad> I have too many programs... :P
02:24, Estu kaami aftadai> Ahahahahaha! There's a killer rabbit in the bloodcaverns!
02:24, Raptorjedi> Trust me, I know
02:25, Estu kaami aftadai> It's surrounded by pools of blood, is black to me, and is angry, ahahahahah
02:25, Estu kaami aftadai> This is so monty python
02:25, Raptorjedi got killed by that frelling rabbit like 5 times
02:25, Estu kaami aftadai> hahahah
02:25, Raptorjedi> He doesnt have much for HP, so you could kill him in a short time
02:26, Estu kaami aftadai> Meh, I'm not going to try
02:26, Estu kaami aftadai> He's black
02:26, Estu kaami aftadai> Besides, I've learned from that movie
02:26, Raptorjedi> No, I mean not that much, he has like 100 something hp....
02:27, Estu kaami aftadai> ... ... what do you mean, 100 hp? THere are no HP shown in attacks or anything at all
02:27, Raptorjedi> I checked with my MS :P
02:27, Estu kaami aftadai> All I see is that he's black HL wise, that's enoguh for me (CHEATER!!! :p)
02:28, Raptorjedi> I did it after I got sick of dying, I only have 2 rez's left....
02:28, Estu kaami aftadai> Besides, I don't know what HP is proportionate to, for all I know 100HP could be a ton. I've no clue how much my attacks do
02:28, Vib rib> YOU'RE a cheater!
02:28, Vib rib> Your FACE is a cheater!
02:29, Raptorjedi> Vib, your face is a carrot :P
02:29, Chad> You attacks could kill him in like one hit... well some..
02:31, Lightning4 wonders what the blue lightning is in the background of Vibs pic
02:31, Raptorjedi really hopes Vib didnt try to eat his face
02:32, Lightning4 plays with bryce..
02:33, Lightning4> Ooh, some neat planets could come up with the random texture thing..
02:34, Estu kaami aftadai> Jeez, there are blue boxes of holding all over the Bloodcaves.. quite easy to see 'em with a phoenix
02:34, Estu kaami aftadai> Too bad you can't have more than two at once :p
02:34, Raptorjedi> Two? You are only supposed to have one, thats why its unique
02:34, Chad> CAN't!
02:34, Estu kaami aftadai> I meant more than one, heh
02:35, Chad> Read better... :P
02:35, Raptorjedi> oh
02:35, Chad> or i need too... wait..
02:35, Raptorjedi> You need to Chad :P
02:36, Chad> yep... i just need to relearn everything.
02:37, Lightning4 wonders if it is true that Chad has a collection of anime bunny girls..
02:38, Chad> http://cfgaming.com/pink.png
02:38, Chad> whoops...
02:39, Raptorjedi> heh
02:39, Chad> http://cfgaming.com/pink.jpg ... duh! :P
02:42, Chad> the other one was from another site... search for Onoe in google, first link... japanese but who cares! :P
02:42, Raptorjedi laughs
02:43, Lightning4 looked there.. wonders why they have a little girl there :P
02:43, Chad> well the links are english... always that way sometimes.. dont know why... ohh well... makes my life easier...
02:44, Estu kaami aftadai> Hey, I need help, there's a fox in the lakespirit level that keeps killing me, I can't get my stuff, coudl someone please kill it? It's not all that strong
02:45, Chad> hehe
02:45, Estu kaami aftadai> Egh, fine, I'll whip out Evil McNasty
02:45, Chad> O_o
02:45, Estu kaami aftadai> Let's see that punk fox outdo the Nastyman himself!
02:45, Lightning4> Just apologize, that always works.
02:45, Estu kaami aftadai> It does?
02:46, Raptorjedi> No, it doesnt always work, there are some NPC's who are always angry
02:46, Lightning4> Yes, of course you need to do it multiple times and stay away. Of course, it seems to work for me, since at a good distance almost nothing hits me :P
02:46, Estu kaami aftadai> Oh, "oops", too late, I seem to have inadvertently killed it
02:46, Chad> I'm sorry mr fox for hitting your kids up side the head with a shovel! I didn't mean to!
02:47, Estu kaami aftadai> Anyway, too bad that brought me back down to Fair, but it was worth it
02:47, Lightning4> I think that would just make him angrier..
02:47, Estu kaami aftadai> ? What, killing him?
02:48, Lightning4> Hm, also, note to self.. Never ask a dragon if he wants to die.
02:48, Estu kaami aftadai> Heh
02:48, Vib rib> After much deliberation, my face is NOT a carrot.
02:48, Vib rib> In addition, the blue streaks in the back of my space photo = nebula clouds
02:48, Chad> I'm sorry mr fox for steping on your tail then screaming like a little girl then picking you up and slaming your head agiants a wall then setting you on fire and throwing you in a pool of gas.
02:48, Raptorjedi laughs
02:49, Chad> http://students.washington.edu/sirgerg/landoplenty/wintermist2_1280.jpg <-- pretty picture...
02:51, Chad = sexy + love/2
02:52, Chad must go and do nothing... :D
02:52, Raptorjedi> bye
02:53, Estu kaami aftadai> Anyone know if there's a purpose to wooden rings?
02:53, Raptorjedi> There is but I dont know it
02:56, Estu kaami aftadai> Wow, Rorsharch is kind, I just tried to kill him and then apologized after he killed me, and he immediately backed off
02:56, Lightning4> Uhh chad, that pic needs a password :P
02:57, Vib rib> Rorschach?!?
02:57, Vib rib> Where where where!
02:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Yeah, the green draggy
02:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Uh, why?
02:57, Lightning4> Man, Rorschach is weak though
02:57, Estu kaami aftadai> Well, I'm just a weak little pheonix, he got me in one bit
02:57, Estu kaami aftadai> bite*
02:57, Raptorjedi doesnt think EKA knows who Vib is talking about
02:57, Lightning4> I'm a cat :P
02:58, Estu kaami aftadai> Why, who's he talking about, the guy who made the inkblots?
02:58, Vib rib> Rorschach. Like the ink blot test. He's the main character in the greatest graphic novel of all time: Watchmen. He's a superhero. only he breaks people's fingers. And stuff.
02:59, Raptorjedi is rendering an image, be back soon
02:59, Estu kaami aftadai> Anyhoo, I gotta go, bye bye
02:59, Raptorjedi> bye
03:00, Lightning4> Man, someone ticked off all the critters at main..
03:00, Raptorjedi grumbles, sky still isnt blue enough
03:00, Lightning4> Rorshach: - PARTY COOL!!! Let's make THE FUN! My cute is so CHARM!
03:03, Lightning4> I think I better leave him, he just said Nine lives and counting to me.. and I'm a cat :P
03:04, Vib rib> O_o
03:04, Vib rib> Oh my god.
03:04, Vib rib> Rorschach said that?
03:04, Raptorjedi> What?
03:04, Raptorjedi> Oh...
03:05, Lightning4> Hes a nut. He asked me to scratch his back and take a picture of him. I didn't even know cameras existed :P
03:08, Lightning4> Then he tells me he loves me..
03:12, Explorer> ...
03:12, Vib rib> Ah, how cute
03:12, Explorer> ah young love ^_^
03:13, Explorer> haha
03:13, Raptorjedi laughs
03:13, Lightning4> Oh Rorschach, I never knew you had such feelings for me..
03:15, Raptorjedi> Done rendering, http://www.anywherebb.com/postline/cdimage.php?name=cd/jpgs/sDghSNHhYPIeAb jfD0WeARMfoNUh.jpg and http://www.anywherebb.com/postline/cdimage.php?name=cd/jpgs/sDghSNHhYPIeAb jfD0We1Uve81.jpg
03:15, Explorer> looks like terragen
03:15, Explorer> is it?
03:15, Raptorjedi> Yeah, its all I use
03:16, Explorer> i love that program :)
03:16, Lightning4> Wow, looks nice!
03:16, Lightning4> Hey, did you get that idea for ice from me? :P
03:16, Lightning4> Hey, did you get that idea for ice from me? :P
03:16, Explorer> it does look nice
03:16, Explorer> I should upload something I've done
03:16, Raptorjedi> I dont remember, I did that one last night, then went to bed
03:16, Explorer> I use lightwave a bit
03:16, Vib rib> WHOA that's damn nice
03:17, Raptorjedi> Thanks
03:17, Vib rib> Especially the one with the green sky. Reminds me of home.
03:17, Vib rib> Though the first one could stand a little surf.
03:18, Lightning4> Home? Were you born in a drug trip? :P
03:18, Vib rib makes a mental note to butcher Lightning4
03:18, Raptorjedi> Probably could.... I was frustrated with that one though, I wanted to make the sky a deeper blue, but it kept coming out purple... so I just figured render it and move on
03:18, Lightning4> No, I mean really, usually a green sky indicates.. trippiness :P
03:19, Vib rib> Obviously you've never seen Kaninchen...
03:19, Lightning4> Seen who?
03:19, Raptorjedi falls to the floor and starts laughing
03:19, Lightning4> Uh, I mean what? :P
03:20, Vib rib> Kaninchen. It's a planet. I put an orbital view up on the Noctis Fanart Comp thread in Noctis fan art...
03:20, Raptorjedi> Try where
03:20, Vib rib> With the nebulae?
03:20, Lightning4> Oooh, yes..
03:20, Vib rib> right. But obviously you need to see some planetary shots.
03:20, Vib rib> I mean - surface shots.
03:20, Lightning4> So you're not gonna butcher me now?
03:20, Vib rib> RJ, hook him up with some of those, I need to head off for just a few minutes
03:20, Vib rib is on frame 77 of 201 in his true submission to the Noctis Fanart Competition... :D
03:20, Raptorjedi will do
03:21, Raptorjedi> Vib, I will also show him that one I made in terragen
03:21, Lightning4 still has yet to come up with his.
03:21, Explorer wonders what alex is up to
03:21, Lightning4> Some possibilities..
03:22, Raptorjedi> http://www.anywherebb.com/postline/cd/jpgs/sDghSNHhYPIezJuilW3.jpg L4, thats a pic I made for Vib... sort of.... reminds Vib a lot of Kaninchen
03:22, Lightning4> Food, Sleep, Personal Matters, Noctis, Avatar, or something else.
03:22, Lightning4> Oooh.. Trippy.
03:23, Lightning4> So is that where he was born or something? :P
03:23, Raptorjedi> You should check out the wallpaper renders thread, it has 12 pages of renders, that one, and a bunch of others were from when I was in this surreal type mood
03:24, Lightning4 does so, since he has nothing else to do
03:24, Raptorjedi> http://www.cfgaming.com/vib/photoalbum.png that is what Kaninchen really looks like, Vib is the rabbit in the front
03:24, Lightning4> Hm, looks like its paradise for him..
03:24, Raptorjedi> It is
03:25, Lightning4> Wait, are they naked?
03:25, Raptorjedi nods
03:25, Lightning4> Oh, so thats why he's got that grin..
03:26, Raptorjedi> Yeah... Rabbits tend to not wear clothes... felisians dont either actually, though some do....
03:26, Raptorjedi also made LK's avatar, which makes him happy because someone liked it enough to use it :)
03:27, Lightning4 has this neat moonlike thing going..
03:27, Lightning4> It looks pretty cool. Purple..
03:31, Explorer> hmm
03:33, Lightning4> Oh yeah, when alex gets here, I have one more last suggestion or idea, or question. Or whatever you want to call it..
03:34, Raptorjedi> And that would be? :P
03:35, Lightning4> A visibility range on the planets surface.. That can be toggled for slower or faster computers. I think in NIV its probably just shy of a mile even on the clearest worlds, but in reality, I think the human eye can percept to at least 50 miles away, then things blend with the atmoshpere.
03:36, Lightning4> It could be changed anywhere from Unlimited (Only limited by atmoshpere or memory bounds by the computer), to the NIV limit, for the slower computers.
03:36, Lightning4> Otherwise, its simply to see large objects that are far off better..
03:37, Lightning4> Of course, I'm not sure how far the visibility is in NV.. assuming its unlimited though.
03:37, Raptorjedi doesnt either
03:40, Explorer> oh
03:40, Explorer> alex said that it is variable
03:40, Explorer> you'll be able to set how far you want to see
03:41, Lightning4> Cool. Any idea of the highest limit?
03:41, Explorer> no... srry
03:41, Explorer> I'm starting to foam at the mouth about NV...
03:41, Explorer sigh
03:41, Lightning4> It probably would be limited by atmoshpere.. Lowest being thick atmo worlds :P
03:41, Lightning4 gives explorer his rabies shot.
03:41, Lightning4 gives explorer his rabies shot.
03:41, Explorer> thx
03:41, Raptorjedi grumbles as he remembers his curse
03:41, Explorer> I'm so excited about iy ^^
03:41, Explorer meant: it
03:42, Lightning4 doesnt recall asking when its out :P
03:42, Explorer> he said he was on the last part but...
03:42, Alex> who said what?
03:43, Lightning4> Lets put it this way. W- Hey Alex.
03:43, Explorer> hey!
03:43, Alex> ma about NV eh?
03:43, Raptorjedi> No, I have a terragen curse.... I can make a really great render, but when I go back to say, recreate that render, or do it from a different angle, I just cant do it... it wont work at all
03:43, Alex meant: me
03:43, Raptorjedi> Hi Alex
03:43, Explorer> hehehe you know it ^^
03:43, Lightning4> Yeah. This time about visibility limits.
03:43, Explorer> Hello
03:43, Explorer> how are you?
03:43, Vib rib whispers: RJ, just save the world and terrain setups
03:43, Lightning4> I hear its variable, but is there an unlimited setting, only limited by the atmoshperic blurring?
03:43, Alex> I'm in pleasant mood, thanks :)
03:44, Raptorjedi> Vib, I can do that, but it still never comes out like I had it before....
03:44, Lightning4> Nice to hear :)
03:44, Explorer> oh... I made an attic page.. found some old programs of mine
03:44, Explorer> only have 1 uploaded so far tho
03:45, Alex replies to a PM...
03:45, Explorer> need to document them cuz I never thought many ppl but me would play with them
03:45, Vib rib> 03:25, Lightning4> Wait, are they naked? <<-----Now THERE'S a dumb question
03:45, Raptorjedi laughs
03:45, Lightning4> Actually, what was dumber..
03:46, Vib rib> Whatever the choice, that sentence is probably the answer
03:46, Lightning4> 03:19, Lightning4> Seen who?
03:46, Vib rib> Nah, the naked question was dumber.
03:46, Lightning4> Yeah, I knew they were naked all along :P
03:46, Vib rib> 19 frames to go! woo!
03:47, Vib rib gets the distinct feeling this file will be way too big to compete, but whatever
03:47, Raptorjedi should have awnsered "No, they are just wearing sewn on fur coats" or something :P
03:47, Alex> I guess nobody's Avatar'ing at this moment, is it?
03:47, Lightning4 admits that was rather a brilliant question :P
03:47, Lightning4> I must have dropped one of my marbles then..
03:48, Lightning4> I should know the answer to that, too :P
03:48, Alex> oh, well, anyway, uploading game scripts... if you stay you'll get errors
03:48, Raptorjedi> Alex: I was earlier, but I had the urge to render so I stopped...
03:48, Raptorjedi> Scripts? Oooh... anything new?
03:49, Lightning4> So, about that visibility?
03:49, Vib rib> 10 more...
03:50, Lightning4> Beh. Animations with Bryce take like 10 hours if its like 200 frames at 640x480.
03:50, Alex> i'll post about the news... RJ
03:51, Alex> regenerating stylesheets... pls keep waiting...
03:51, Raptorjedi> Okay
03:52, Alex> uhm... done, in theory
03:52, Alex> will write a post to explain (news page...)
03:53, Lightning4 finishes looking at all the wallpaper renders. Really nice work there..
03:58, Alex posted the news...
03:58, Raptorjedi reads
03:59, Alex> might be very nice now :)
04:00, Alex> w00t! it works
04:00, Raptorjedi quickly opens avatar
04:00, Vib rib> DAMN!
04:00, Vib rib 's movie came out to nearly 8 megabytes - twice as long and 16 times as big as the other one. how'd THAT happen?????? O_o
04:01, Alex makes lanterns in the central area of main...
04:03, Explorer> nice
04:03, Alex> i'll drop some more...
04:05, Lightning4> More detail?
04:06, Lightning4> Well my biggest movie from Bryce is about 200 meg..
04:06, Raptorjedi checks out the light thing and goes back to sitting around
04:07, Lightning4> 184 meg to be exact :P
04:08, Alex is unsure where to place some more light...
04:09, Alex places nothing more...
04:09, Lightning4> So, about that visibility thing..
04:09, Skinnymon> Sorry to disturb Avatarites. I'll be brief.
04:10, Skinnymon whispers: Just a teensy rant here...
04:10, Vib rib is re-rendering
04:10, Alex> the inbox!
04:10, Raptorjedi listens to Skinny
04:10, Alex> praps?
04:10, Lightning4> Wait. Inbox??
04:11, Skinnymon> Quote: 05:02, Vib rib whispers: I'm sleeping, and right in the middle of a good dream, I wake up - from something that keeps knocking at my brain. Before I go insane I hold my pillow to my head, and sit up in me bed, screaming out the words I said
04:11, Skinnymon> He said It's a Pixies song.
04:12, Skinnymon> He lied!
04:12, Skinnymon> It was the most insidious song of the 70's
04:12, Alex> ah, thanks for specifying
04:13, Explorer> ...
04:13, Alex whispers: confess: you were about to ask about the inbox...
04:13, Skinnymon> "I Think I Love You", by the Partridge Family. Burn the Heretic!
04:13, Vib rib> I never said that was a Pixies song
04:14, Vib rib> I said Vandals. It was a cover song.
04:14, Alex prepares the autodafe
04:14, Lightning4> So, Alex, Is there going to be neat stuff about visibility? :P
04:14, Alex> visibility? where?
04:15, Alex> what? how? huh?
04:15, Lightning4> Variable visibility in NV..
04:15, Lightning4> You know, how far you are able to see.. Is there stuff about that in there?
04:15, Lightning4> You know, how far you are able to see.. Is there stuff about that in there?
04:15, Alex> ah, I guess you mean haze and suchs?
04:15, Lightning4> Sort of, yeah.
04:16, Alex> uhm... the max visibility is forcely limited, or the rendering doesn't go real-time :)
04:16, Lightning4> And I hear something about variable visibility or something too :P
04:16, Lightning4> Ah, but would you guess its about 50 miles on a felysian planet? :P
04:16, Alex> I didn't say anything about it, neither implement...
04:16, Explorer> you told me a while ago visibilty was variable by the player?
04:16, Lightning4> Providing conditions are correct..
04:16, Alex> really?
04:16, Explorer> hmm
04:17, Explorer> maybe we misunderstood ^^
04:17, Alex> maybe...
04:17, Lightning4> I think 50 miles is probably realistic, dunno if it can be effectively replicated though..
04:17, Explorer shrugs
04:17, Alex> no, it can't easily
04:17, Lightning4> 30-50 miles is probably what we get here, and we get good conditions here :P
04:17, Alex> it's too much, but I could approximate in the distance
04:18, Lightning4> Well, heres my question more simply put.. Will you be able to see far off, very tall stuff like mountains?
04:18, Alex> at the moment, no, but I can do it, and probably... will
04:18, Lightning4> Oooh..
04:19, Alex> not sure if they'll come out good, but... better than nothing
04:19, Explorer> maybe we ought to discuss these features after the first release... lol.
04:19, Alex> good idea
04:19, Lightning4> Well, its better to have a great first release then an early, less great. :P
04:19, Alex> it's just that they can't stop thinking to it... :p
04:20, Lightning4> But that was pretty much my last idea. Now I can only drool thinking about stuff already in/planned
04:20, Explorer> I'm just waiting. no more giving of ideas or asking questions ^^;;
04:20, Alex> I'm in trouble with all suggestions...
04:21, Alex> a real lot of stuff, most of which will prbably not be in the first release
04:21, Explorer> i know... maybe expansion releases are in order?
04:21, Alex> of course
04:22, Explorer> just release the main game when it's in working condition, then it'll give you time because we'll shut up for a while to play it
04:22, Skinnymon whispers: 05:29, Vib rib> from a Pixies song :twisted:
04:22, Alex> later, we'll have all the time in the universe :p
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :TW
04:23, Raptorjedi> Alex could release the main game in working condition and have at least a year of silence....
04:23, Explorer> i know..
04:23, Explorer> lol
04:23, Alex is tempted to kick skinny for flooding
04:23, Skinnymon meant: :twisted: is me.
04:23, Explorer> I'd be happy for a good little while. and by a good little while i mean about a year
04:23, Explorer> lol
04:24, Lightning4> I'll be happy for a long time.
04:24, Skinnymon frelling keyboard!
04:24, Raptorjedi pokes L4 and points to IRC
04:24, Explorer> yeah
04:24, Lightning4> Oh, one more thing. Will planets and stuff be far more variable?
04:24, Alex> ok, ok, admiral, I see.
04:24, Explorer> ssshhhh.
04:24, Explorer> expansion
04:24, Alex> I think yes, at least it's planned, especially in small details, rocks and suchs
04:24, Lightning4> I mean truly more variable? :P
04:25, Skinnymon whispers: And on another note, about in...
04:25, Alex sssshs himself
04:25, Lightning4> Wooh. So no more same sectors? :P
04:25, Explorer> lol
04:25, Skinnymon whispers: OK, I'll spare you a litttle while...
04:25, Alex> I didn't mean to give illusions here...
04:26, Lightning4> Well, I'm satisfied anyway, if the rocks are even different :P
04:26, Alex> yup, they will...
04:26, Alex> bah, *sshhs*
04:26, Lightning4> This is an idea for a future version, not necessarily NV :P
04:26, Explorer> hehe
04:27, Lightning4> Rock collecting? ;)
04:27, Lightning4> Rock collecting? ;)
04:27, Explorer> suprises actually will be nice
04:27, Lightning4> Yeah..
04:27, Explorer> i hope you're keeping secrets about the game ^^;
04:27, Skinnymon whispers: Yesh, pits and water for you-know-who to climb out of. :roll:
04:27, Lightning4> I highly doubt we've milked everything out of him yet.
04:27, Alex> at this point, I think the secrets are very little :p
04:27, Explorer> no.. not yet anyway
04:27, Explorer> lol
04:28, Alex> stop milking me I'm no cow :p
04:28, Lightning4> heh.. But rock collecting.. What fun.
04:28, Lightning4> Almost as fun as watching the grass grow on a felysian planet..
04:28, Alex> that would suppose to be able to collect rocks and stash them on the SD or somewhere... hrmmm...
04:28, Lightning4> Kidding, Rocks can be interesting.
04:29, Explorer> ...
04:29, Alex> lateeeer, after the alpha :p
04:29, Lightning4> Hrm.. We'd need a bigger drifter for animal collecting :p
04:29, Explorer> settle L4.
04:29, Explorer> you can collect with screenshots
04:29, Lightning4> I know, these are probably far future ideas ;)
04:30, Skinnymon> Yep, back to the good old page cannot be dirsplayed thing.
04:30, Lightning4> I'm not meaning to delay the release even further :P
04:30, Explorer> hehe yeah. we don't even know when the release is anyway
04:31, Skinnymon> Epoc 2014? [JK!!!!!!!!!!!!]
04:31, Kalliope> Heh....animal collecting....
04:31, Explorer> lol
04:32, Explorer> I keep signing on and compulsivly checking the oage in hopes ^^
04:32, Kalliope> Something tells me that's fangame material :P
04:32, Lightning4> Epoc 2014? Uh..
04:32, Lightning4> That was many years ago.
04:33, Kalliope> Did he mean 6014?
04:33, Explorer> lol
04:33, Lightning4> Probably.
04:33, Skinnymon whispers: By then, the "animals" will evolve into sentient beings, and ruld the galaxy, while we are still homeless nomads.
04:33, Alex> or Year 2014...
04:33, Lightning4> Yeah..
04:33, Lightning4 steals RJ's duct tape and tapes Skinny's mouth shut.
04:33, Skinnymon meant: Yes, a typo, go figure.
04:34, Skinnymon meant: Or Catsheimers...
04:34, Raptorjedi laughs
04:35, Explorer> how is that animal generator going, anyhow
04:35, Explorer> is it nice?
04:35, Kalliope> Heh. Raise yer own kitha! :p
04:35, Skinnymon whispers: either way I said JK!
04:35, Lightning4> Catsheimers?
04:35, Lightning4> Heh..
04:36, Vib rib uploaded his finished 3D Studio movie he's submitting for the competition
04:37, Lightning4> What runs your movie?
04:37, Raptorjedi cant watch it for some reason...
04:37, Lightning4> Quicktime doesn't like it, WMP doesn't like it..
04:37, Vib rib> What?? I made it for WMP, viewed it in it even.
04:37, Vib rib> ohhhh...
04:37, Vib rib realizes what the problem is
04:38, Kalliope peers at the logs.
04:38, Kalliope> 30-50 miles visibility? What, you live on a mountain?
04:38, Lightning4> Desert :P
04:38, Lightning4> Actually thats a rough estimate.
04:38, Lightning4> But its about right.
04:39, Kalliope> ...the horizon, assuming the ground is flat, is only about 17 miles away.
04:39, Explorer can't see more than a mile becuase of all the trees
04:39, Explorer> ooo game over, L
04:39, Lightning4> The terrain here its nuts. We're in a valley, surrounded by mountains.
04:39, Kalliope> Now, if you're at a higher elevation than the surrounding terrain, yes, you'll get farther visibility.
04:39, Skinnymon> L4 Tucson, right?
04:40, Lightning4> There are mountains to the south of us I estimate that are approximately 30 miles away
04:40, Lightning4> Yes.
04:41, Explorer is battling a field spider that managed to get in
04:41, Raptorjedi> Dont kill it... poor spider....
04:41, Skinnymon> Send him to arachnid valhalla!
04:42, Explorer> but then I won't get 150 exp and 50 gold
04:42, Explorer> I'm almost to the next level
04:42, Lightning4> And of course Tucson is 14 miles wide in either direction, probably 10 from Mt. Lemmon, and you can see this somewhat tall building you can see that I live near. Its visible frrom practically anywhere in the city.
04:42, Lightning4> Heh, thats what I'd like to suddenly come across on a Felysian planet.. a planet of giant spiders.
04:42, Skinnymon whispers: sorry I really have aracnophobia. I even hated the movie. (a bit.)
04:43, Lightning4> I dont have arachnophobia, but I don't like spiders :P
04:43, Explorer> I have arachnophobia too...
04:43, Explorer> which sucks
04:43, Explorer> because these things are a pretty decent size
04:43, Raptorjedi likes spiders, and scorpions
04:43, Lightning4> Maybe a tarantula would be alright with me, but anything that resembles something that can scar you for weeks, say, a Brown Recluse, and I stay away.
04:43, Explorer> and they come in for the winter :(
04:43, Lightning4> Scorpions arent that bad if they are tame. One of the juniors last year brought his pet scorpion.
04:43, Raptorjedi> A Recluse could kill you
04:44, Lightning4> Not a Brown one..
04:44, Explorer> yeah
04:44, Explorer> !
04:44, Explorer> yes a brown one..
04:44, Lightning4> Maybe some other type, but their bites don't kill, but make this really nasty, ugly scar. At least, according to pictures.
04:44, Explorer> we have those and black widows here in ohio..
04:45, Explorer> I'm seen a black widow before in a house
04:45, Skinnymon> Yes, indeed. A poison to poison you and one to melt the flesh.
04:45, Explorer> kinda freaky
04:45, Vib rib> There. Now you can watch it properly...
04:45, Vib rib directs everyone to the fanart comp
04:45, Skinnymon> Refering to Brown recluse.
04:45, Lightning4> Ig.. I think I almost got bit by one once. Some small spider once landed on my finger. Needless to say once I saw it (It was about as wide as my finger) I shook it off immediately and moved away :P
04:46, Vib rib whispers: Skinny, it was a vandals song, not Pixies...
04:46, Explorer> I saw some girl at the doctor whose whole arm was green from recluse bites. and she was very sick with a flu like sickness
04:46, Lightning4> Did she die?
04:46, Explorer shrugs
04:46, Explorer> this was in the waiting room
04:46, Lightning4> Then again, you said she had bites, right? As in multiple ones?
04:46, Explorer> yeah
04:46, Skinnymon> OK, but you said Pixies, Vib.
04:46, Explorer> she was in some kind of trouble
04:47, Raptorjedi> Most dont die from brown recluse bites, if you get to the hospital, but if you dont know what you were bitten by and shrug it off, it could lead to death
04:47, Lightning4> Did you notice how many?
04:47, Vib rib> If I did, I was mistaken.
04:47, Explorer> you pretty much know if you get bitten by one of those
04:47, Explorer> no. didn't count
04:47, Lightning4> We've got all kinds of nice spiders here.
04:47, Explorer> i think it was around 3
04:47, Kalliope> Recluse bites never fully heal...
04:47, Kalliope bets the poor girl probably lost her arm.
04:47, Vib rib pushes people around to the fanart comp :B
04:47, Lightning4> Mainly black widows. Sigh, I remember having a pet grasshopper.
04:47, Explorer> yeah
04:48, Explorer> that's what i was thinking
04:48, Skinnymon whispers: Aha! Lagomorphheimers!
04:48, Explorer> black widows are scary
04:48, Lightning4> I was moving to another box, it hopped away. It got into a spider web.. and sob.. It got munched before we could save it.
04:48, Skinnymon whispers: :rofl:
04:48, Vib rib picks Skinny up and hurls him into the fanart comp - Watch my movie, dammit!
04:48, Lightning4 sighs : Poor mikey. That was his name :P
04:49, Raptorjedi watches it
04:49, Raptorjedi> Nice Vib :)
04:49, Explorer> I was up in canada.. very far north in canada camping out on some creep island that was literally just a rock with trees on it
04:49, Kalliope shudders.
04:49, Lightning4> Well I'm not sure if any spiders are lethal down here..
04:49, Explorer> and I was swimming.. went up to the beach and grabed a rock to climb up
04:49, Kalliope> Black widows creep me out.
04:49, Kalliope> Then again, our garage has been -infested- with them.
04:49, Kalliope> Ever since we moved here. I guess we're just lucky no one's been bitten.
04:49, Explorer> the rock fell into the water, and under it was a spider at least as big as my hand
04:49, Lightning4> Probably the one people fear most down here are actually just tarantuals :P
04:49, Explorer> I almost had a heart attack
04:50, Lightning4 meant: tarantula
04:50, Skinnymon will watch Vib's movie if it takes less than 15 minutes to get it to play.
04:50, Lightning4> Was it hairy?
04:50, Raptorjedi> I havent seen a Black Widow and I have been living down here for oh.... 3, almost 4 years
04:50, Explorer> oh yeah it was
04:50, Lightning4> Tarantula :P
04:50, Explorer> but it was flat, not a tarantula
04:50, Lightning4> There are some spiders in Africa as big as dinner plates.
04:50, Vib rib> C'mon - LOOK how realistic that is! Freakin' LOOK at it! It looks like I made a model and actually threw a towel on it! What the hell!
04:50, Kalliope> You're lucky.
04:51, Explorer> looked sort of like a hand flat on the ground shape
04:51, Kalliope> We had 4 in the first 3 months we were in this house.
04:51, Skinnymon> Yes, I understand they are here too, about a mile uphill toward the foothills.
04:51, Lightning4> We've had black widow nests. We don't much care, we just spray and they're gone.
04:51, Lightning4> Of course, these things are small spiders, not very big at all.
04:52, Explorer shivers
04:52, Explorer> yeah BWs are smaller than you'd expect
04:52, Vib rib pokes RJ - realistic as life, no?
04:52, Lightning4> Tarantulas are probably most feared down here, but they are harmless. Most you can get is an infection from a dirty beak :P
04:52, Raptorjedi> Yes it is Vib :)
04:52, Vib rib watches it over and over, admiring the folds near the center bottom- priiiiiityy...
04:53, Kalliope eyebrows.
04:53, Kalliope> Black widows tend to be a good inch and a half long at least...
04:53, Explorer> but man i bet tarantulas can hurt
04:53, Kalliope> Yes, I do mean legspan when I say that.
04:53, Kalliope> But they are -hardly- small.
04:53, Explorer> yeah
04:53, Lightning4> The only reason they probably bite is because you did something stupid :P
04:53, Explorer> the one i saw must not have been full grown then
04:53, Raptorjedi> Tarantulas do hurt, but really thats about it.
04:53, Lightning4> Biggest I've seen are hardly as big as a quarter, if not that.
04:54, Lightning4> Referring to BWs
04:54, Explorer> yeah
04:54, Explorer> the one i saw was about there
04:54, Vib rib whispers: Science fun fact: In terms of physical pain, the absolute worst poison in the world belongs to the Duck-billed platypus
04:54, Explorer> thanks vib
04:54, Skinnymon> Yes, but they can jump a bit. <s>and I think we scared off ATG by talking about bugs</s> 8(
04:54, Lightning4> Actually I think the worst is probably the Box Jellyfish in Australia. Kills you in 3 minutes.
04:55, Explorer> jellyfish hurt
04:55, Vib rib> I'm talking pain.
04:55, Explorer> a lot
04:55, Vib rib> Platypus poison is the most PAINFUL.
04:55, Vib rib> In the world. Of anything.
04:55, Raptorjedi> Yup, it comes from the barb on their back feet
04:55, Kalliope> ATG?
04:55, Explorer> does it kill?
04:55, Lightning4> I didn't even know they were poisonous. Is it lethal? :P
04:55, Explorer> or just hurt?
04:55, Vib rib> See, a platypus' poison isn't actually POISONOUS - it won't kill you or mess up your internal workings or nothing...
04:56, Vib rib> It just HURTS. Doesn't cause any long-term effects
04:56, Vib rib yells: HOWEVER
04:56, Explorer> lol those jerks
04:56, Skinnymon whispers: Alex The Great
04:56, Vib rib> It does release the same chemical your system does when you're feeling pain, to the Nth degree.
04:56, Lightning4> I think the most dangerous critter we have down here is not a spider, but the rattler. Definitely the rattler. What I hear is to just give them room, and they won't bite you.
04:56, Explorer> yikes
04:56, Kalliope> Isn't the most deadly poisonous animal on Earth some sea snake in the Pacific?
04:56, Vib rib> Therefore, platypus poison is basically just a chemical that makes your body __CONSTANTLY__ tell itself: "I AM IN INCREDIBLE, SEETHING AGONY, WORSE THAN ANY I'VE EVER FELT BEFORE"
04:57, Raptorjedi> Kalli, yes, its one of them... there are a couple others
04:57, Explorer> holy cow I was out west visiting chimney rock
04:57, Explorer> got waylaid by a rattler in a field
04:57, Lightning4> I think I've heard rattlers are pretty poisonous.
04:57, Explorer> far from anything
04:57, Explorer> yeah
04:57, Explorer> deadly.. quickly
04:57, Kalliope> And anyway, "ATG" had been quiet for a long while.
04:57, Explorer> if I had been bit... game over
04:58, Kalliope> Rattlers?
04:58, Kalliope shakes her head.
04:58, Lightning4> They aren't mean though, some people probably think they are mean critters that need to be wiped off the face of the earth.
04:58, Kalliope> First, depends on the rattler. Second, about half the time, they don't inject. It's a warning bite.
04:58, Explorer> i was 10 minutes from my car, and 20 minutes from any sort of hospital
04:58, Explorer> it was a diamondback
04:58, Lightning4> Usually the reason you're bit is because you did something stupid.
04:59, Kalliope> My brother almost got bitten by a black (or was it rat?) snake.
04:59, Kalliope> He didn't even do anything....
04:59, Explorer> yeah. i didn't see it and almost stepped on it
04:59, Lightning4> I wish we could have bio suits like felysians, then we would never have to worry about disease, cancer, or poison again.
04:59, Explorer> and it got mad. really mad
04:59, Kalliope> Other than walk on the trail, and then the snake started crossing. He got out of the way.
04:59, Explorer> rattling and stuff
04:59, Kalliope wouldn't really file something you step on and you can't see that bites you 'stupid', unless it's in plain sight.
04:59, Lightning4> Ususally rattlers will warn you if you're too close.
05:00, Vib rib whispers: Unless THEY don't see YOU
05:00, Lightning4> I file it stupid if you get bit and the snake has given you fair warning..
05:00, Kalliope> Right.
05:00, Explorer> lol yeah. I cleared a path throught the grass around it
05:00, Explorer> and as I was walking through the grass tho, and dove under towards me
05:00, Kalliope> The snake that almost bit my brother was nonpoisonous, just really big and blended in with the pavement well :P
05:00, Explorer> i don't know why. I was abnout 5 ft away
05:01, Explorer> so I ran lol
05:01, Kalliope> ...dumb snake...
05:01, Lightning4> Alright, we can probably drop this now :P, its not like we're ever getting out anyway :P
05:01, Lightning4> But it would be neat to have some sort of machine that keeps you from being poisoned, getting diseased, or getting cancer..
05:02, Explorer> cancer
05:02, Explorer> that would be handy
05:02, Lightning4> Actually it shouldn't be too hard to kill cancer, you just need something thats smart and can tell the difference between cancerous cells and normal cells, so it can eliminate them.
05:03, Explorer crosses his fingers and hopes for NV
05:03, Explorer> cya tomorrow
05:03, Explorer> bye
05:03, Lightning4 dreams of different types of animals.. Hm.. Spider-like animals? Snakes.. Nah
05:03, Skinnymon> cya
05:03, Lightning4> But spiderlike animals would be cool
05:03, Lightning4> But spiderlike animals would be cool
05:04, Lightning4> Unless its like 50 feet tall and pops out of nowhere on a dark felysian world, and you swear it has horns.
05:04, Skinnymon> not in ATG's world. He said so.
05:04, Lightning4 thinks of the different types of animals possible..
05:06, Skinnymon> True, but we shall have to deal with that which Parsis (i.e., animal generator) provides us with.
05:08, Skinnymon> And with that, Stardrifters, I must depart. Please wait a decent interval before popping the champagne corks in celebration]
05:08, Skinnymon whispers: Nite.
05:12, Raptorjedi> Night
05:18, Lightning4 cant think of anything to break the silence with.. eh, too late.
05:18, Ouch> well I could but it wouldn't be nice things coming from me
05:18, Lightning4> Well, theres not many people here :P
05:18, Ouch> I just read alex replies to my posts
05:19, Lightning4> Hmm?
05:20, Ouch> well you see everything I wanted to do in lino just got shot to hell
05:20, Ouch> alex seems to live in another world
05:21, Kalliope> hmm. I was also going to say earlier, I think Alex also had to go to work, most likely...still, I would've thought he'd have said bye before heading out...
05:22, Lightning4> He's either watching us, or lost connection again..
05:22, Ouch> I hope he's watching
05:24, Kalliope> He can hide his online status, or he chooses to?
05:25, Ouch> "Ports aren't vital" my ass he wouldn't even be able to use a monitor if it wasn't for ports.
05:26, Ouch> his mouse would be a paper weight and nobody could use a chat room because their keyboard wouldn't work
05:26, Kalliope eyebrows.
05:26, Kalliope> There's more than one type of port......
05:26, Ouch> not to mention the modem that gets him here...
05:26, Kalliope> I wonder if there was a misunderstanding.
05:27, Kalliope> hmm...
05:27, Kalliope reads
05:28, Ouch> parrallel and serial ports have been standerdized since 1990
05:29, Kalliope> In programming languages?
05:29, Kalliope> I wouldn't know, though....
05:30, Ouch> hardware has been
05:32, Kalliope> So ask him why ports aren't 'vital and standard'.
05:34, Ouch> I will
05:38, Lightning4> Woah, looks like something broke a min ago
05:38, Raptorjedi> Yeah
05:38, Ouch> http://www.beyondlogic.org/ explains it better than howstuffworks.com
05:39, Ouch> yeah website fart :)
05:42, Raptorjedi is gonna go play some B&W then goto bed, goodnight everyone
05:44, Lightning4> See ya
05:48, Ouch> cya
05:56, Alex> uhm... that fanart contest mark II thread is killing my modem
05:57, Alex passes to battery due to scary thunders outside...
05:57, Ouch> ah.. alex we meet at last
05:58, Alex> why, we didn't before? :)
05:58, Alex> if so, sorry it's just a question of timing... :roll:
05:59, Ouch> yeah I know I hear you party all night and every day :)
05:59, Alex> nah... :p
06:00, Alex> I'm much more boring... program in the night and sleep most of the day in this period...
06:00, Ouch> I just replied to my post
06:00, Ouch> ah... wish I could I work too much :)
06:01, Alex> I do work, but I'm not compelled to work in specific hours... that's it
06:03, Alex> hm...
06:03, Alex> serial ports are gonna die
06:03, Ouch> hm... what?
06:04, Ouch> yeah usb is takeing over
06:04, Alex> will probably be replaced by USB ports, yes
06:04, Alex> until something will probably replaces USB ports, and so on... see what I mean?
06:04, Ouch> so?
06:05, Ouch> it's computers it's the way it is
06:05, Alex> a bitmap won't be replaced I suppose, as well as an analog pointing device such as the mouse...
06:05, Alex> those are the peripherals I'm going to support, and not any further, or...
06:05, Alex> ...we'll soon have Lino RTM full of legacy stuff, rubbish...
06:06, Ouch> in what 20 years?
06:06, Alex> perhaps, but my idea for Lino is to have a completely abstract env.
06:06, Ouch> look how old qbasic is and it's still used today
06:07, Alex> this doesn't mean it will be used right tomorrow.
06:07, Ouch> all of it's functions still work
06:07, Alex> look at AmigaDOS...
06:07, Ouch> lol amigas
06:07, Alex> how did Amiga access ports? were they the same? no, I was there, they weren't.
06:08, Ouch> pc's are going to be around a lot longer than amigas
06:08, Ouch> that's like comparing pc's to macs
06:08, Alex> sincerely, I'm not trusting anything since Amiga died...
06:09, Ouch> geez seriously get over it
06:09, Ouch> I miss my tandy 1000
06:09, Alex> and "vital" = not for the computer, vital for an application...
06:09, Ouch> it is for mine
06:09, Alex> I don't miss ports: when I want to program with ports, I go through native assembly, that's it
06:10, Alex> yes but your's a -driver-, not an application
06:10, Ouch> I thought lino was supposed to be an alternative to assembly?
06:10, Ouch> not neccesarilly
06:10, Alex> absolutely not, it's something different.
06:10, Alex> Lino is my ideal cross-platform language, just that.
06:11, Ouch> it's not that ideal if you can't access ports
06:11, Alex> I'm sorry, but really, won't change my mind on it. Use assembly.
06:11, Ouch> or convert ascii to hex
06:11, Alex> that's a piecie of cake!
06:12, Ouch> I know but there should be a function for it
06:12, Alex> there should be a library, nothing to do with the env.
06:12, Ouch> every other programming language can
06:12, Alex> I reckon that :)
06:12, Alex> Lino is missing libraries, but libraries can be written by anyone...
06:13, Ouch> port access can be written by any programming language programmer
06:13, Ouch> but you won't
06:13, Alex> not sure about Basic, though
06:14, Alex> what about Java?
06:14, Ouch> qbasic has port asccess
06:14, Alex> does Java allow port access?
06:14, Ouch> teven basic on my tandy 1000 could do port access
06:14, Alex> C64 Basic couldn't... does Java?
06:14, Ouch> I never used java so I don't know
06:15, Alex> it doesn't.
06:15, Alex> and you know why? because it pretends to be cross-platform...
06:15, Ouch> it's a website language of course it doesn't
06:16, Alex> no, it's a cross platform language
06:16, Ouch> for websites
06:16, Alex> specially oriented to networking, true
06:16, Alex> but it can do anything.
06:16, Alex> except accessing ports and other hardware-specific stuff.
06:17, Alex> Peek has written a mapper for the Noctis galaxy in Java.
06:17, Alex> doing 3D projections of lots of stars...
06:17, Ouch> good for him but it's not going to help my problem
06:18, Alex> I suppose so, but if I were you I would have picked assembly for that.
06:18, Ouch> qbasic does it easier
06:18, Alex> ok, whatever...
06:19, Ouch> c++ isn't bad either
06:19, Alex> true! it's good for ports and quite fast.
06:19, Ouch> but c++ is a night mare as you know :)
06:19, Alex> I wrote NIV in c.
06:20, Alex> and it's not in any way a nightmare, it just doesn't allow me to control several things I'd like to control.
06:20, Alex> like atomic operations... :roll:
06:20, Alex> and type casting bothers me a lot...
06:20, Ouch> I know thats why I wanted to try lino because I feel your pain
06:20, Ouch> but...
06:21, Alex> but I won't, Ouch. You'd better give up, really... and be at peace with that.
06:21, Ouch> but I can't
06:21, Alex> It would be like asking IBM to implement hardware ports in Java... it's just *absurd*
06:21, Ouch> lino is useless to me without it
06:22, Alex> for which I'm sorry, but you did pay nothing for it... ho, see what you make me say :p
06:22, Ouch> and I know a few other people who would love lino if it had it
06:22, Alex> it cannot have it. it would be out of the world... a cross-platform language that relies on Hadrware port 60 to be the KEYBOARD :p
06:23, Ouch> lino does not relly on 32 bit proccessors either
06:24, Ouch> but it has support for multiple ones
06:24, Alex> not entirely, but that's in effects leading to unavoidable incompatibilities
06:24, Ouch> the same could be done for the ports
06:24, Alex> Lino does its best to help working the same on 32 or 64 bits or whatever, but it's not entirely abstract there
06:25, Ouch> so lino will go out of date your saying?
06:25, Alex> what should I do with ports? give them a common name? like keyboard = 60?
06:25, Ouch> you could
06:25, Ouch> or just do what qbasic does
06:25, Alex> it will need apps to be slightly retouched where the top of the 32-bit range is reached and a carry is expected
06:26, Alex> what should I do with the many commands? "pulse a test bit to keyboard port"...
06:26, Ouch> kinda like ports then right? :)
06:26, Ouch> you don't need many commands
06:26, Alex> ...to have a future computer say "what's the keyboard port needing a pulse on bit 80h for"?
06:27, Alex> I don't need??
06:27, Ouch> just something like port(234h)= 6fh
06:27, Alex> I need all the world of this hardware inside...
06:27, Ouch> one command for many ports
06:27, Alex> thanks, I didn't know of this possibility (irony)
06:28, Alex> I'm sure you see the point.
06:28, Ouch> you just need to specify what port and what to write/read
06:28, Alex> my program would certainly work fine if I told the DAC of a SoundBlaster to input a sample...
06:28, Alex> pity SB cards are outdated since long...
06:29, Alex> on a Mac, I'd certainly be able to read the actual PIT counts from port 64h
06:29, Alex> pity there's not PIT chip...
06:30, Ouch> so how about ports in lino?
06:30, Alex> Lino cannot, by definition, have a single instruction not working on another system, let alone a bunch of messy ports
06:30, Ouch> useing that method I think it could work
06:31, Alex> work? it will work for you, and only for you... this is a c-r-o-s-s-p-l-a-t-f-o-r-m language
06:31, Ouch> I'm not sure about macs but it would work on all pc's
06:32, Ouch> macs have to be the same
06:32, Alex> then try, and when you fail, let me know
06:32, Ouch> I don't have a mac
06:33, Alex> since how much you're programming, Ouch?
06:34, Ouch> ?
06:34, Ouch> in what?
06:34, Alex> in whatever... just for curiosity, but nevermind...
06:35, Ouch> since i got first computer
06:35, Ouch> I was always crashing that poor thing :)
06:36, Ouch> probably for 15 years or so
06:36, Ouch> why is that relevent?
06:36, Alex> it was just to understand if you were simply unexperienced...
06:37, Alex> ...or the other way around, you don't absolutely care about platform changes. that must be it...
06:37, Alex> but didn't want to sound critic here, eh?
06:37, Ouch> the pc is not going to change any time soon
06:38, Ouch> it is the dominent platform in the world
06:38, Alex> yes, but the abstract "linoleum machine" is an abstract concept, and it is the same "forever".
06:39, Ouch> forever is a long time alex
06:39, Alex> I know, and I'm sure it will.
06:39, Ouch> a lot of things will change between now and forever
06:39, Alex> the only problem: having no binary machine :)
06:39, Alex> but that's enough for me.
06:41, Alex> we're not sharing the same phylosophy, that's it
06:42, Ouch> phyloosophy has nothing to do with it
06:42, Alex> oh, yes, it has
06:42, Ouch> your in your own little world where things never change
06:43, Alex> ?
06:43, Alex> they changed a lot and I'm still here
06:43, Alex> what I'm exactly trying to avoid is being killed by changes
06:44, Ouch> we wouldn't be here if things didn't adapt or change
06:44, Ouch> every living creature has changed
06:44, Ouch> computers are no exception
06:45, Alex> what I mean is: if you follow ports, you'll be changing too often.
06:45, Alex> more in general: you want a -complete- developing environment, I want a -universal- developing environment.
06:45, Ouch> how often?
06:45, Ouch> every 20 years or so?
06:46, Alex> application-oriented, not driver-oriented. it doesn't even know about which operating system is running it...
06:46, Ouch> you will change it 3 times in your lifetime
06:47, Alex> ok, so I'll put ports in and tie the environment to the typical PC circuitry
06:47, Ouch> what are you programing lino in?
06:48, Alex> at the moment, the compiler is written in C, but it will be written in Linoleum when I have time to.
06:49, Ouch> so your saying you will put portsin?
06:49, Alex> linoleum is a Software Abstraction Layer, that's all about it. no, I was kidding...
06:49, Alex> ...just to mention what would happen if I did.
06:50, Alex> you're approximately asking me to have a washing machine do the work of a fridge.
06:50, Ouch> and what was wrong with that?
06:52, Ouch> I'm just asking you to put it in
06:53, Ouch> if your scared of change then don't use it
06:53, Ouch> although I don't think it ever will
06:53, Alex> sorry, got disconnected for a while...
06:54, Ouch> your ports are rebeling against you for your neglect :)
06:54, Alex> well, my answer is still no, and will not change. you decide what to do about it... *shrugs*
06:54, Alex> lol...
06:55, Ouch> and why won't it?
06:55, Alex> because it's impossible.
06:56, Alex> ports are a specific feature of a platform, and it would be like killing the IDEA of linoleum
06:56, Ouch> it would not be
06:56, Alex> that's what YOU think, but you're not "God" :p
06:57, Ouch> every platform needs port access
06:57, Ouch> and neither are you
06:57, Alex> drivers need, operating systems need, applications call drivers and suchs.
06:57, Alex> yeah ,neither I am.
06:58, Ouch> ok let me ask you this
06:59, Ouch> how many users use linoleum on other platforms besides pc's?
06:59, Ouch> that are registered
06:59, Alex> zero
06:59, Ouch> so what's the big deal?
06:59, Alex> the future?
07:00, Alex> let me ask you this
07:00, Ouch> lino isn't going to be in the future if it doesn't addapt to new environments
07:01, Ouch> same with any other program
07:01, Alex> what's so wrong with native assembly for ports control?
07:01, Alex> it is MADE for adapting, and ports control would lead programs to DEATH, how can't you see?
07:01, Ouch> I've been switching between languages for ever I just wanted one that could do it all
07:02, Alex> Linoleum is not that language, you've been unlucky here.
07:02, Ouch> yes I see, your stopping it from doing everything
07:02, Alex> Make your own :D
07:02, Alex> really... it's an idea... why not?
07:03, Ouch> do you know how many more people would use this program if it included modern day advances?
07:03, Alex> yes, I'm intentionally leaving hardware/vendor-specific stuff outside
07:03, Pomelos> Hi guys.
07:03, Alex> I wouldn't have a problem even if I was the only one to use Lino, I told it many times.
07:03, Alex> hello Pom...
07:03, Ouch> your cutting a pc down to a microcontroller
07:04, Ouch> not even a microcontroller they use ports
07:04, Alex> Ouch, we could continue this discussion forever.
07:04, Alex> but it's useless.
07:04, Ouch> not if just add it in :)
07:04, Pomelos thinks that, if the point is to include modern day advances, let's use java or visual c++ or whatever but Linoleum, so where's the point ? :)
07:04, Alex> call me stubborn...
07:05, Alex> the point is that Ouch wants hardware ports transmissions be implemented in a cross-platform language
07:06, Alex> which in my mind, and in general theory, keeps being absurd... but that's it
07:06, Ouch> I just want it implimented for the pc
07:06, Ouch> you said yourself noone uses anything be pcs
07:06, Ouch> for lino
07:06, Pomelos> Then he needs a language that has platform-specific compilation.
07:07, Alex> I begin to feel guilty of putting it under WPL...
07:07, Ouch> yes you should be :)
07:07, Alex> maybe I should cut the crap and say ok, let's say GPL, and do whatever you want
07:08, Alex> they'll completely ruin its original idea, but at least they'll feel better...
07:08, Ouch> what if you make an experiament?
07:08, Ouch> say make another lino that's not cross platform
07:09, Alex> heh, I can't make an experiment. Once it's under GPL, it's under GPL, no turning back.
07:09, Ouch> but has all the support for pc's
07:09, Alex> ah...
07:09, Ouch> I bet they would switch to that one
07:09, Alex> you would, others would, Peterpaul wouldn't, I'm sure
07:09, Pomelos> Dont. You're the one who made it and you had a precise idea of what it should be... I mean, there will always be people who will disagree with your idea (I'm not saying they're right or wrong), it doesn't really matter...
07:10, Alex> why? because he gets what's for.
07:11, Alex> it is very nice, Ouch, it's nice to fiddle with whatever aspect of today's PCs...
07:11, Alex> it gives a lot of power.
07:11, Alex> but it does not grant what the actual Linoleum grants.
07:12, Alex> it would kill it, really, it would hurt it to death.
07:12, Ouch> have you ever programmed a microcontroller?
07:12, Alex> yes
07:12, Alex> and Lino is not made for programming microcontrollers.
07:12, Ouch> then you know it's a pain in the ass because of the limitations
07:13, Ouch> your doing the same thing to pc's
07:13, Alex> yes, they have very little commands, and generally painful "environment", if it may be called so
07:13, Ouch> useing the guts and not the features
07:14, Alex> I'm not doing anything, why are you accusing me of anything?
07:14, Alex> I'm not destroying assembly, I'm doing a little thing apart that's intended to filter out things that are incompatible.
07:15, Alex> assembly is still there, as well as C++, as well as QBasic...
07:15, Alex> why you want to alter my idea?
07:15, Ouch> I'm not altering anything
07:16, Alex> if I implemented ports, it would be a complete and definitive alteration
07:17, Ouch> how
07:17, Alex> you really don't have a trace of my idea
07:17, Alex> or you decide to ignore it at all?
07:18, Alex> ports = something that's specific to the hadrware.
07:18, Alex> if I wanted it to be hardware specific I would have made it a preprocessor for assembly language.
07:18, Ouch> it hasn't been in the last decade
07:18, Alex> and not even built a run-time module
07:18, Alex> it iiiiiiis
07:19, Alex> there are A FEW standard ports, but then there's a mess
07:19, Ouch> parallel ports have had the same address for years
07:19, Alex> and even the standard ones are not standard in the way I need them to be for Lino
07:20, Alex> on the PC. and only on the PC.
07:21, Alex> and the target of Lino is not the PC. It isn't, stop.
07:21, Ouch> usb's are the same
07:21, Ouch> pinouts anyway
07:22, Alex> assembly! take assembly! and stop it, please...
07:22, Alex> you're being almost trolling at this point, do you realize?
07:22, Ouch> I'm sorry but I will not stop
07:22, Ouch> yes I do
07:22, Pomelos> Ouch, why not saying that Alex simply does whatever he wants ? :)
07:23, Ouch> we've been going at it for 2 hours :)
07:23, Ouch> of course it's tiresome
07:23, Stargazer> Good morning, cats, birds, dinosaurs, li+-eaters, and every other life-form which populate these forums! :-)
07:23, Alex> if you hope to obtain something concerning a change in Lino, you're losing 2 hours and making me lose the same amount of time.
07:24, Ouch> I lost more learning lino for nothing
07:24, Pomelos> Hello, Stargazer ? :)
07:24, Ouch> and you loseing even more for writeing it
07:24, Alex> that's your own problem.
07:24, Alex> no, that's a nonsense
07:24, Ouch> for which a very small audience will use
07:24, Pomelos> (Huh ? Why did I type a question mark ? o_o)
07:25, Alex> it's a nonsense. I'm not selling it.
07:25, Alex> it's made for me.
07:25, Ouch> and only you aparently
07:25, Alex> if others share my same thought, then they'll use it... that's all
07:26, Ouch> why not expand that thought?
07:26, Alex> because it'd kill the original thought.
07:26, Pomelos> Ouch : Because he doesn't care and doesn't want.
07:26, Alex> how many times should I say that?
07:26, Ouch> how?
07:26, Alex> ok, wait a minute
07:27, Alex> I'll install a chatbot to chat with you telling the same things again and again, and go free...
07:27, Ouch> if it has to be cross platform then add things for both platforms
07:27, Pomelos> Ouch : I mean, this is by no way sourceforge.net; it's an independant site with a person that does whatever pleases him, after all.
07:27, Ouch> why because you cannot adequitly defend it for yourself?
07:28, Alex> because I consider stupid to be discussing here for no reason.
07:28, Ouch> yes I like sourceforge
07:28, Alex> for 2 hours...
07:28, Ouch> ai planet and vegastrike are quite fun
07:28, Ouch> there is a reason
07:28, Alex> nice, go form a team and make something similar to lino that also supports hardware ports
07:29, Ouch> you just can't relize it
07:29, Pomelos> Ouch : What exactly bothers you in what Alex, someone you didn't even know before, does ?
07:29, Alex> no, it's reciprocal.
07:29, Alex> Pom> I think he got somewhat annoyed by learning Lino to find that it doesn't support hardware ports.
07:30, Ouch> look I see potential in lino I was hopeing alex would too but...
07:30, Alex> ah, for my own good, that's it...
07:30, Pomelos> Alex : Well, there are plenty of other languages that do so...
07:31, Ouch> I probably like you know countless programming languages in search for the one
07:31, Alex> it's what I try to point out since 2 hours.
07:31, Pomelos> Alex : I don't personnaly use lino because it doesn't fit my needs and I live perfectly well with it.
07:32, Ouch> if you want cross platform then program platform specific things for every platform
07:32, Alex> Ouch, apparently, can't live with that.
07:32, Alex> that's not the concept of cross-platform.
07:32, Alex> trust me or have some books
07:32, Ouch> ah, ha see pom knows
07:33, Ouch> a language will be useless until it does something people need
07:34, Stargazer makes a subtle reminder Alex made Lino as his own prefered programming language - he has then decided to share it with the world, if I have understood things correctly. :-)
07:34, Pomelos> I guess that's the Linux-complex : you begin with an alternate os and you end up praising it and trying to convince everyone it's superior and they should use it now.
07:34, Ouch> lino does internal calculations very fast, but that's about it
07:34, Alex> if I built another exact copy of the Linoleum package, called it freeLino, and released it under GPL?
07:34, Alex> would you be ok and stop this?
07:35, Ouch> and added ports to it... :)
07:35, Alex> you can do that
07:35, Ouch> legaly how could you do that though?
07:35, Ouch> aren't they the same product with a different name?
07:35, Alex> just add a couple patterns to the dictionary, and make the variants in the instructions set for INP and OUTP
07:36, Alex> legally? it's not a problem, as long as the copyright holder agrees on that...
07:37, Alex> they're essentially the same product, but distinguished by a different name, and with a different EULA.
07:37, Alex> have you noticed what MySQL does with licenses?
07:37, Ouch> well as long as it's legal
07:37, Alex> it is... *shrugs* it wouldn't be if YOU placed the GPL there
07:38, Alex> but if it's ME who does, it's legal. and I can keep two "instances" of it.
07:38, Ouch> why would I do that?
07:38, Alex> to earn the right to change the environment?
07:38, Alex> and fit it to your needs?
07:39, Ouch> but it's already got a license
07:39, Ouch> changeing it would mean I go to jail :)
07:39, Alex> heh, not really jail, I suppose :)
07:40, Alex> I think I'd simply have the right to pretend you stop distributing it...
07:40, Ouch> well you get te idea :)
07:40, Pomelos tries to get to another topic.
07:40, Alex> yes, anyway, if the author changes the license it's not a problem
07:40, Pomelos> Alex : Hmm... Something has been running through my brain for quite a few weeks...
07:41, Stargazer> Eventually, I would say an open-sourced Lino may give it several possibiities; but its all up to Alex of course, and as long as he has control over any modefication made to it. :-)
07:41, Ouch> see he want's ports too lol :)
07:41, Pomelos> Alex : I browsed the source code of Noctis and...
07:41, Alex> Ouch... I have no use for ports
07:41, Stargazer is suddenly all ears
07:41, Ouch> millions of others do
07:42, Alex> it takes nothing to add an INP and OUTP couple instructions, really
07:42, Ouch> otherwise they wouldn't exist
07:42, Pomelos> Alex : Are there ruins on other systems than those three you mentionned in the code ? Are the other ones simply artefacts ? :D
07:43, Alex> well, you see how the code works: it checks for an ID code that's only partially matched.
07:43, Ouch> If it's no big deal then put it into lino :)
07:43, Pomelos> Alex : Partially ? o_o
07:43, Pomelos loads the code
07:43, Alex> yes, only a partial match, lemme close this discussion
07:44, Pomelos whacks himself on his head, repeatively.
07:44, Alex> Ouch> you're for sure the most annoying member I've ever met here, so at this point saying "yes" would indicate you that you've done it right.
07:45, Alex> a victory for your annoying way to discuss things.
07:45, Ouch> well maybe you will remember if we met or not in the future :)
07:46, Alex> oh, you're not the first I see following that strategy...
07:46, Ouch> look I'm sorry for being annoying but I'm trying to help lino
07:47, Alex> the problem is that you've got no doubt you're helping lino.
07:47, Ouch> to both our own right's, we are very hard to crack
07:47, Ouch> that's right I don't
07:47, Ouch> adding features can only help
07:47, Alex> you know who's the kind of person who has no doubts?
07:48, Ouch> with a bit of planning that is.
07:48, Ouch> bill gates? :)
07:48, Alex> for instance, yes...
07:48, Alex> although I don't know him personally so can't really be sure...
07:49, Ouch> me either
07:49, Ouch> but he put ports on a computer for a reason
07:49, Stargazer> Alex: sometimes you, Cassani, Hawking, and Einstein. :-)
07:49, Stargazer whispers: :-P
07:49, Alex sighs
07:50, Stargazer was just kdiding, of course
07:50, Stargazer meant: kidding
07:50, Alex> I shouldn't have came here this morning... damn...
07:50, Ouch> lol
07:51, Ouch> to much reality for you? :)
07:51, Stargazer> Sorry for my very dumb joke
07:51, Alex shakes head...
07:51, Alex> he believes to speak of reality...
07:51, Pomelos tries to cheer Alex up a bit...
07:52, Alex> oh, well, Pom, nevermind... the world is beautiful also because it hosts different ways to see things... or so they say
07:52, Ouch> believes? ports are on the computer for a reason, if they had no perpose they wouldn't be there.
07:53, Stargazer plants a huge sign in front of Ouch: "Discussion closed, for now anyway"
07:53, Stargazer> :-P
07:53, Pomelos> Alex : Btw, did you know that I went to Pisa last month and... Well, that was a great trip. :D
07:55, Ouch> I went to colorado a few weeks ago
07:55, Pomelos> Ouch : the state or the river ?
07:55, Ouch> state
07:55, Stargazer laughs as he reads the logs
07:56, Ouch> drove across the rockies it was sweet
07:56, Pomelos> Ouch : And what did you see ?
07:56, Ouch> good reading material stargazer? :)
07:58, Stargazer> It sounds like you've been sparring with words or something: "Alex, we meet at least" *all you need here is darth-vader breath*. (JK!!) :-P
07:59, Ouch> oh I was ready for him.. you see I just read his replies to my posts
08:00, Stargazer> And then you go on for what's probably the longest frespych discussion I've ever seen; almost 3 hours!
08:00, Ouch> I could continue, how about you alex? :)
08:01, Stargazer points at the sign
08:01, Stargazer whispers: someone call Guiness! :-P
08:02, Pomelos> "Guiness ! Come over here !"
08:02, Ouch> aw he's gone
08:02, Stargazer> Well, we do doubtlessly have a new record
08:03, Ouch> those who have the most in common have the most fights or so they say :)
08:04, Stargazer whispers: he'll be back
08:04, Pomelos> I don't call that a discussion.
08:04, Pomelos> "stubborn provocation" should be better.
08:04, Ouch> I know he will
08:05, Ouch> if he's anything like me he has to have the last word :)
08:05, Stargazer> Pomelos: actually, I agree, but still...
08:05, Ouch> well what do you guys think?
08:05, Ouch> do you think lino is too restrictive
08:06, Pomelos knows better that answering.
08:06, Stargazer> I think its all up to Alex; he made Lino to be his own prefered language; he just decided to share it with the world
08:06, Ouch> I won't go off on you guys I promiss
08:07, Ouch> alex is the source :) lol
08:11, Stargazer> I rather think we ought to be thankfull to Alex for vanting to share his creations; nothing is forcing him to do so after all. He has every right to do whatever he wants with his own creations
08:11, Ouch> anyone have any good ideas how I could impliment this?
08:12, Ouch> the only way I can think of is have lino save a file to be exported through ports
08:12, Stargazer> With other words: stubbournly insisting that Alex puts in a special feature can be interpreted as quite rude, if you'll excuse me saying so
08:12, Ouch> hey I'm just trying to help
08:13, Stargazer> Understood, but next time; I advice not being as stubborn; just present the idea, don't insist on it
08:13, Ouch> wlaking up to someone that works at the red cross that is helping someone and say" that's rude" is rude
08:13, Ouch> I just tried to make him understand
08:14, Pomelos> Ouch : just a question, what os do you use ?
08:15, Ouch> winxp
08:15, Ouch> I like linux but it's not the norm yet
08:15, Pomelos> Hmm... Weird.
08:15, Ouch> why?
08:17, Pomelos> On the net, I usually find those stubborn argument with linux worshippers. But, then, you might be one someday. :)
08:18, Ouch> only when everyone else uses it
08:18, Pomelos> (Which means never)
08:18, Alex> sorry, got disconnected again, and for longer...
08:19, Ouch> see I knew he would be back :)
08:19, Stargazer ties Ouch up before he gets a change to launch a new discussion
08:19, Alex> it wasn't my fault...
08:19, Peterpaul kl h> Hi Guys.
08:20, Stargazer> Meow Peterpaul
08:20, Ouch> hi
08:20, Peterpaul kl h> Yesterday i started writing the first code for the linoleum RTM.
08:20, Alex> Hi PP... *is still lagged though*
08:20, Pomelos gives Alex a coffee and waves Peterpaul.
08:21, Peterpaul kl h waves back and stares to the coffee wishing....
08:21, Ouch> alex why not get a cable modem (if offered over there)?
08:21, Pomelos> Beware, the coffee is virtual, but hot. :)
08:21, Ouch> so that doesn't happen again?
08:21, Peterpaul kl h> :P
08:21, Alex> because there is no alternative, at all, only modem gets here
08:21, Pomelos> Peterpaul : do you want one ? :)
08:21, Stargazer gives Peter a cup of cyber-coffee
08:21, Ouch> ah man that sucks. no satilite either?
08:22, Alex> yes, but it's troubled anyay
08:22, Peterpaul kl h> Yes please.
08:22, Ouch> ah
08:22, Alex> sat behaves bad when it rains outside...
08:22, Peterpaul kl h> Oh, thanks gazer..
08:23, Stargazer> You're welcome Peterpaul. :-)
08:23, Alex> and it only gives high download speeds, which is not what I'm looking for...
08:23, Pomelos gives Peterpaul some tiramisł instead.
08:23, Stargazer looks out at the snow
08:23, Alex wonders if Pomelos lives on tiramisu`
08:23, Alex> snow? woot!
08:23, Ouch> yeah I know what you mean, it's hard to find a connection like that
08:24, Ouch> even here
08:24, Alex> patience...
08:24, Alex> I can live with it... :)
08:24, Stargazer> Cold, white, soft snow - good for making snowmen. :-)
08:24, Peterpaul kl h> Ah, the tiramisu is delicious, thank you Pomelos.
08:25, Ouch> and snow balls to hurl over arguments over ports :)
08:25, Stargazer> Ouch: :-P lol
08:26, Alex> Ouch> my offer would be atm limited to the following...
08:26, Stargazer shakes his head, and gives up trying to follow the futile duscission in the logs. Even if I did understand it, reading over 3 hours of fruitless discusison is not my cup of tea :-P
08:26, Alex> 1. creating an alternative package for Linoleum that is allowed to fork
08:27, Alex> 2. implementing basic port I-O in it for your specific needs, and other that may...
08:27, Alex> that's what would be
08:27, Ouch> that sounds good
08:28, Alex> since you annoyed me in particular and others as a consequence, with 3 hours of trolling, though...
08:28, Ouch> a compromise at least :)
08:28, Alex> I will do that later, much later, and I don't know when.
08:28, Ouch> it's ok
08:28, Alex> hoping this teaches you something about asking stuff... not just for me, I do it for the rest of the world's sake...
08:28, Ouch> but you could save yourself time and... :)
08:28, Peterpaul kl h> Well, since some people want more with Linoleum than what it is designed for....
08:29, Stargazer once again want to apolegyce to Alex for my very bad joke I said at the end of the discussion, it was very misplaced, and very wrong.
08:29, Peterpaul kl h> Why not make an assemble using linoleums syntax.
08:29, Peterpaul kl h meant: system assembler.
08:29, Alex> Sg> I din't even notice that thing you're apologizing since long :)
08:30, Peterpaul kl h> Then we would have two separate products:
08:30, Peterpaul kl h> 1. The linoleum compiler and the RTM environment.
08:30, Alex> PP> yes, and since that wouldn't be Linoleum anymore, it wouldn't be under WPL either, and it wouldn't be mine, and there wouldn't be problems
08:30, Ouch> that would be cool too
08:30, Peterpaul kl h> 2. a system compiler which can link to external libraries.
08:30, Alex> but don't expect me to waste time on it...
08:31, Peterpaul kl h> Well, maybe i'll look at that later. The though has been in my mind before.
08:32, Peterpaul kl h> first i'll concentrate on LOL: Linoleum On Linux (LOL) :P
08:32, Alex> LOL...
08:32, Stargazer> lol
08:32, Stargazer> Nice name :-)
08:33, Peterpaul kl h> Yeah, i made it up myself. :D
08:33, Alex> It's nice, I agree...
08:34, Ouch> I could say something but I won't :)
08:36, Stargazer hopes we'll eventually see snow in Noctis - with the possibility to make snow-Felisians. :-P
08:37, Alex laughs...
08:37, Alex> I don't guarantee on the possibility of making snow-Felisians, though...
08:37, Stargazer> :-P
08:38, Fop> Hiya, Alex.
08:38, Stargazer whispers: and maybe we can have a easter-egg feature - being a bird that looks like a santa-claus sledge fly above the snowy poles of Felisian worlds. :-P
08:38, Alex> Hi
08:38, Peterpaul kl h turns back to working on LOL.
08:39, Alex> you're working on it? cool!
08:39, Fop> On what?
08:39, Alex> you're my hero, PP! :D
08:39, Stargazer> :-)
08:40, Ouch> alex don't have a juygasm :)
08:40, Peterpaul kl h> Yeah, since yesterday. I have to learn a lot though.
08:40, Stargazer> Fop: Lino On Linux
08:40, Ouch> joygasm^
08:40, Fop> WOW!
08:40, Fop> I'm using Linux right now :P
08:40, Fop> At least some IGUI proggies work with WINE, btw.
08:40, Alex> eh... no, no such thing, but I'm happy!
08:41, Peterpaul kl h> Yesterday i discovered about the Compiler Communication Paragraph. That answered a lot of questions i had. :)
08:41, Alex> heh! I bet... and to think that it was there since the beginning :)
08:41, Peterpaul kl h> So the first thing i'll do is checking if that will be initialised by the compiler.
08:42, Alex> in some other point referred as "initialization paragraph", but that's me confusing names... :p
08:42, Ouch> hope you add port access to it :)
08:42, Alex> goop starting point...
08:42, Peterpaul kl h> There's one problem. I also have to adjust the compiler to use my new RTM.
08:42, Peterpaul kl h> And therefore i have to switch between Windows and Linux.
08:43, Alex> Ouch> if you mention port access again, you may have your IP 65K subnet mask banned for 24 hours.
08:43, Ouch> just get another computer :)
08:43, Stargazer reads about the emidiate release of Orbiter 2004... All bugs been crushed, graphics added, physics improved - almost there.. :-)
08:43, Peterpaul kl h thinks of Ouch reply to that: Ouch :P
08:43, Alex> You already got me allowing for a possible alternative, don't be evil...
08:44, Ouch> ok so is ascii conversion still on the table? :)
08:44, Alex> boy!
08:44, Alex> but do you want ME to make every single library conceivable?
08:44, Ouch> lol jk
08:45, Stargazer> :-P
08:45, Ouch> I'm just doing it for fun now :)
08:45, Alex> wanna try being kicked and see if you can come back?
08:46, Ouch> you would like that wouldn't you?
08:46, Alex> oh, it was just to think about testing how efficient it is...
08:46, Ouch> but just remember I'm just trieing to help
08:47, Fop> What's that little c?
08:47, Alex> I'll try to see it that way, or at least tendentially :roll:
08:47, Ouch> no smilies here sorry :)
08:47, Alex> Fop> means you're chatting. Stays on for 2 minutes since last message.
08:48, Alex> Ouch> I was just curious to see if a random guy would have been able to come back, not really being that evil...
08:48, Fop wishes Avatar didn't exist :-/
08:48, Alex> if there are further volunteers... it's fine anyway :)
08:49, Ouch> so you never banned anyone before?
08:49, Alex> nope...
08:49, Stargazer> I can test your kick system Alex, for five minutes, if you want me to?
08:49, Alex> but I don't want it to make it sound like a real punishment eh?
08:49, Ouch> hmm... man not many visitors I guess ;)
08:50, Alex> only, if you feel up to know how to return, it's be a nice test, that's it...
08:50, Ouch> there are some people that play unreal tornament... :)
08:50, Alex> we have er... selected visitors I guess :)
08:50, Stargazer wonders if I can kick myself
08:51, Alex> yes you can... hmm...
08:51, Ouch> mostly spawn fragers and cheaters get banned :)
08:51, Alex> Ouch> it is my opinion that, due to IP changes, it's impossible to ban someone at all
08:51, Ouch> true but it's a temperarry fix
08:52, Alex> just I wonder how efficient is banning a 65K subnet
08:52, Peterpaul kl h> FOP: You play Unreal Tournament?
08:52, Ouch> I'm on a network too
08:52, Alex> ah, well... that's it... temporary
08:52, Peterpaul kl h> I know one of the most active hackers of UT: GrimReaper
08:52, Ouch> oh hell yes I've met him
08:53, Fop> No, I don
08:53, Ouch> he's more anoying than me :)
08:53, Alex> hacker? in which sense one hacks a network game?
08:53, Fop> 't
08:53, Peterpaul kl h> He follows the same study here in Delft (Holland)
08:53, Ouch> there are certain rules one can bend :)
08:53, Peterpaul kl h> Well, he anounced to hack UT2004 in the first week it'll be released.
08:54, Alex> I suppose... cheating? or tearing down servers?
08:54, Ouch> like the classic model changeing trick
08:54, Peterpaul kl h> Well, a sort of cheating.
08:54, Alex> ah. yup... I see.
08:54, Ouch> point being nothing is secure :)
08:54, Peterpaul kl h> But if his hack for UT2004 will work, the whole security needs to be rewritten and redesigned.
08:55, Peterpaul kl h> I guess that's real hacking. :P
08:55, Alex> what's the point of security in a game, I wonder...
08:55, Alex> but then I don't know UT...
08:55, Ouch> to try to stop sheaters
08:55, Ouch> or to try to stop piraters
08:56, Peterpaul kl h> Yep, that's it.
08:56, Alex> heh, it's hard...
08:56, Ouch> you never played unreal tournament?
08:56, Peterpaul kl h> Servers can ban IP's or ut keys.
08:56, Peterpaul kl h> i'm not realy into that.
08:56, Alex> nope, never
08:56, Ouch> both can be changed
08:56, Peterpaul kl h never played UT either.
08:57, Ouch> man alex go to a software store instead of writing your own :)
08:57, Alex> Servers can do very little because the internet allows for a certain amount of freedom.
08:57, Ouch> man! is this the twilight zone?
08:57, Stargazer has never played UT either - voilence is not my way
08:57, Ouch> 2 people that never played unreal tournament?
08:57, Ouch> ok 3 people
08:58, Alex> yup, *shrugs*
08:58, Ouch> omg and I met them lol
08:58, Stargazer> yep
08:58, Alex> I'm on a slow dialup, I fear network intensive things
08:58, Ouch> actually many people play on dialups
08:58, Stargazer> Ouch: We are borg, lower your shields and prepare to be boarded... :-P
08:58, Alex> it's just not the kind of connection to enjoy a game throught, me thinks
08:59, Alex> yeah, Resistance is Futile.
08:59, Ouch> download the demo and try
08:59, Stargazer agrees with Alex
08:59, Ouch> you can play network games with it
08:59, Alex> no spyware?
08:59, Ouch> not that I'm aware of
08:59, Stargazer don't think this crappy machine can handle UT
09:00, Ouch> and I have two programs to detect it :)
09:00, Alex> hm, I'll take note
09:00, Ouch> wouldn't hurt to try stargazer
09:01, Alex> don't be so sure :)
09:01, Ouch> you might be surprised ut is pretty fast
09:01, Stargazer> well... we'll see.. :-)
09:01, Alex> but yeah, this site is the ghost of times past in some way :D
09:02, Stargazer thinks I need to buy a new machine ASAP, this one is braking down more every day. :-P
09:02, Alex> myself, I'm stuck in 1984... and proud of it :p
09:02, Ouch> lol
09:02, Stargazer> lol
09:02, Ouch> sterdy computers back then :)
09:03, Alex> ? please define: <sterdy>
09:03, Ouch> I have a 1989 laptop eager to be fired up once in awhile :)
09:04, Stargazer remembers the old classics: Stunts! Packman! Snake! FtarFlight! :-D
09:04, Stargazer meant: StarFlight
09:04, Peterpaul kl h> What is that? 286?
09:04, Ouch> things don't go bad like in todays machines
09:04, Ouch> f19, tank platoon, silent service 2 :)
09:04, Alex> yeah, it's because of the may features they wanted to put into modern machines believing they couldn't be bad...
09:04, Peterpaul kl h> Yesterday i installed Minix on my 486DX2-75MHz laptop. Boots in 10 seconds!
09:05, S